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This $82billion thing?

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posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 01:59 PM
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Yeah,

Is this the same money they were asking for about a year or so ago, or are they asking for more now?

82 billion freaking dollars!

400million for a new embassy that isnt wanted there and will probably be bombed? 400million? its a building? for what trading with iraqis?

The money for new army equipment, armor for vehicles and such.
this is america, dont they have a big freaking stockyard of brand new humV's somwhere? They make it sound like we sent all of our stuff over their already?

Millions of dollars for training iraqi forces? A few months ago didnt they say they already had 100,000 trained? Or they would have a sufficient amount trained by now.
Besides, the type of war and fighting you do over there, any idiot can pick up a gun and be effective imo.
They know about war over there. No need to train anyone!

Theres just somthing wrong with the world when 82billion is asked for like a kid asks for money to buy candy.

This guy you all voted for isnt very thrifty. What a freaking prick!




posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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This guy you all voted for isnt very thrifty. What a freaking prick!


I hate Dubya! War = $$ for certain corporations and individuals and that's what it's all about. This "war" is our modern day Vietnam and I am disgusted with it! You'd think we would have learned. But Vietnam was the same....War = $$

I don't want to see a new memorial twenty years from now with the names of 60,000 dead soldiers who died for nothing....Every member of Bush's cabinet, including himself, should go fight on the front lines. Then they'd be looking for a quick end to this thing!



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 03:56 PM
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At least someone agrees.

I just dont see how that much money can be justified? Should be raising red flags!!

Its like I saw today a ceo of hewlett packard left the company for a $40million
settlement!

What could she possibly have contributed to the company thats worth 40million?
Basically she got fired and got severence of $40mil.....and I cant even get free technical support?



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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As a christian and with the 2 choices for president that we had I voted for Bush though I didn't and don't believe he is doing everything right. This additional 80 some billion is going to worsen the financial stability of the U.S.. I think the U.S. is headed for a financial collapse.



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 08:23 PM
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I hate to say it, but the party I'm from really doesn't care about being conservative. We are getting ripped off, and we have been for a long time. The only party that is supposed to be removing that, is not interested in it any more.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 06:28 PM
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I read on a news site that 78,000,000 baby boomers will reach retirement age in the year 2008. First of all is that true? If it is then that's like 1/4 of the U.S. population. Then you add the people who are already receiving Social Security it appears we have a major crisis coming fast. Also if this is right are we a nation of older folks with not enough younger folks in it?

We really are headed for a financial collapse.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 06:30 PM
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I'm a baby boomer, I think
I turned 50 last October......wow...50, I don't feel 50. At least I think I do, what's it's supposed to feel like?



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Qlone
400million for a new embassy that isnt wanted there and will probably be bombed? 400million? its a building? for what trading with iraqis?


It's actually more than $400 million the last time I checked.

Bush requested $658 million to build a new U.S. embassy in Iraq that could house a staff of 1,000, plus $717 million to staff it. link



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Bush requested $658 million to build a new U.S. embassy in Iraq that could house a staff of 1,000, plus $717 million to staff it. link




As I said before I'm not pleased with all Pres. Bush is doing. You can find websites both pro and choice for Bush. I've recently found a couple that say we are being manipulated into a crisis. If we are they are doing a good job.

This has been going on for decades and by both political parties.

[edit on 16-2-2005 by dbrandt]

[edit on 16-2-2005 by dbrandt]



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 07:05 PM
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Gentlemen, as you may or may not be aware, the United States has military bases and embassy's set up all around the world. And the main reason for that is to maintain stability in that country or region. Yes, of course it takes time and money. In today's world, just about everything that is done, money is involved. Take a look at World War II. After we forced both Germany and Japan to surrender, the United States demilitarized the two countries and then established an embassy in the two countries to maintain order and to stay aware of what is going on there. Not only that, if we were in a war-type situation in the future, we would have several of military bases to land and reload our equipment, etc without having to travel hundreds of miles away, we would have a base that would be closer for us to rendevous. Today, we can strike and maneuver anywhere around the world in less than a few hours. The reason is because of our bases that we have around the world. This again makes is easier for us to maneuver around the world.

That amount of money can be justified because the United States has the money to pay for what it wants to do. And if they wanted to pay for a base or embassy on a country, they have the money to do so. Now that they are nearly wrapping up with stabalizing Iraq, we now have a different relationship with Iraq and in order to maintain peace in a country that has terrorist it it such as Iraq, we must set up an embassy or base.

dbrandt, your imagination is what should collapse! That makes no sense that the United States will have a financial collapse. Look, we are here spending billions of dollars a week in Iraq. The United States is the wealthiest country in the world. Spending over 80 billion for this embassy is not a problem. That is how much we already spent in a month or two in Iraq. I think you should reiterate your opinion on that! That's like saying the United States has gone completely bankrupt! You've got to be out of your tree! The United States has enough money to do what they want to do, when they want, and the way they want it!!



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 07:11 PM
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yes, thats nice, request 81 million but cut back on funding to food stamps so more people can starve. Nice one George Dubya (Mr. "compassionate conservative")



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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What some don't realized is that is our tax payer money we are talking about here, and in the mean while we are facing all kind of budget cuts to our domestic agenda but is ok to give away billions to do all kind of Bush things.

Now what many doesn't know is that nowhere in that additional money is going to go to our disable Iraqi vets, but we are facing cuts on the the program.

At least somebody in the senate had the common sense to add 2 more billion for them.

Yes we are very rich so rich that we have pleanty of children in the US going hungry at night, this is our tax payer money here, so how about us the ones that pay the taxes what do we get.


[edit on 17-2-2005 by marg6043]



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043[/i

Yes we are very rich so rich that we have pleanty of children in the US going hungry at night, this is our tax payer money here, so how about us the ones that pay the taxes what do we get.


[edit on 17-2-2005 by marg6043]


Yeah it is sad that 3 million some families in the USA have to starve at each mealtime, even though we are one of the wealthiest nations, and have somewhat of a 10 percent surplus of food that we burn or lay to rott. But hey, thats how a Capitalist society is supposed to be right?



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by BJonesLHS
dbrandt, your imagination is what should collapse! That makes no sense that the United States will have a financial collapse.


I hope I'm wrong because I have to live here also and need to work and earn money to live. I also used to farm and know that you are at the mercy of the weather. I don't think the U.S. has eperienced a continuing drought that is widespread and lasts for years. a MAJOR lack of food for this nation could be a serious obstacle.

Remember the Titanic couldn't sink either! Oh wait it did.

[edit on 17-2-2005 by dbrandt]



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 09:17 PM
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Honestly in my opinion an economic collapse in this country would be a step to fixing the world. Corporations would bail out and move to Europe and Asia, which would rid this country of the brainwashing done by Television and its bull#. Time to get out and get to know your neighbor, because you will have to rely on them to help stabalize your area. We would all actually have to work hard to secure the water supply and figure out how to feed everyone.

Of course the U.S. will not have a financial collapse because that would just # up alot of other countries too



posted on Feb, 18 2005 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by BJonesLHS
dbrandt, your imagination is what should collapse! That makes no sense that the United States will have a financial collapse.


I hope I'm wrong because I have to live here also and need to work and earn money to live. I also used to farm and know that you are at the mercy of the weather. I don't think the U.S. has eperienced a continuing drought that is widespread and lasts for years. a MAJOR lack of food for this nation could be a serious obstacle.

Remember the Titanic couldn't sink either! Oh wait it did.

[edit on 17-2-2005 by dbrandt]


There's no hope of you being wrong, you are! That's unimaginable! The United States of America is once again the wealthiest in this world today. It is mind-blowing of how much money we have. Now, if you want to get in a position to where you still are against my statement, then i suggest you call the U.S. secretary. The titanic was a ship, 'ol eef! Is America a ship? Does the titanic have trillions of dollars aboard it? Can America hit a glacier to make it sink? How in the hell can you compare the sinking of the Titanic to America? Is that another one of your imaginations? Or is it an exaggeration? Please inform me!



posted on Feb, 18 2005 @ 03:17 PM
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Please, of course we have more money than we ever had before. We are super inflated as far as the rest of the world is concerned. This is the reason for the drastic run off of companies, manufaturers, Steel, Ship building, etc.

We cost too much to produce, so we consume. That consumption can come to a halt, and then we will crash. Our infrastructure is dying, and even regular jobs, like machinists, plumbers, electricians, etc are becoming more rare and more expensive.

You can not support a never ending tower.



posted on Feb, 18 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by BJonesLHS
It is mind-blowing of how much money we have. How in the hell can you compare the sinking of the Titanic to America? Is that another one of your imaginations? Or is it an exaggeration? Please inform me!


Not everyone in the U.S. has enough money. the titanic statement means what man thinks and what happens can be different. The Roman empire fell so the U.S. is not beyond a disaster. If 2 planes hiiting 2 buildings can cause economic problems what would a nuclear blast do?



posted on Feb, 18 2005 @ 09:58 PM
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What man thinks could happen is an opinion. It may or may not be factual. And can not gurantee that it can and will happen. Only by prediction and theory! Who on Earth can make an opinion of how much money America has is what I'm saying. And only a person making an opinion can say that $82 billion dollars is too much. Well hell, going back to what I said, we spend that amount in a month in Iraq. Now compare that to spending that amount one time for an embassy, to every month in Iraq. If we have the ability to pay that amount in Iraq each month, then it is highly feasible to pay over $80 billion for an embassy.

2 planes crashing into the trade centers caused minor economic problems, but nothing major. There is something called a 'back-up'. Whereas, if one thing falls there's something else to be second in command. Just like if a president get's assassinated, you have a vice-president. And it caused minor economic problems, but not long afterwards, we were back on our feet. In a nuclear situation, well yes indeed it can be major economic problems, but you have to look at it on both ends. The country who struck us, will have definite problems due to a retaliatorial strike on their territory and casuing them to be in much more of an economic melt-down. But, once again, America has always had a way to get back on it's feet and prevent it from happeneing it again. dbrandt, what is your point? You're jumping into conclusions. First you talk about this $80 billion dollar payment which will worsen the financial stability, now you're talking about what a nuclear blast do on the economy. You're talking about two different things here. We are talking about the 80 billion dollars that the U.S. is willing to pay during this wartime situation. This has nothing to do with nuclear holocaust!



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