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Is it foolish to dismiss religion as just superstition?

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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

God is always present seeing what is present.
Yeah, eating popcorn watching children die of starvation.
GOD - "Oh, so your crops have failed, you pray to me for help, and I can help but choose to watch you die?"
STARVING CHILD - "Yes, please help us God"
GOD - "Nah, sorry mate, I may be omnipotent and omniscient, but I don't actually help people anymore, I gave up miracles 2000 years ago...but carry on praying if it makes you feel better"

I'd call any god like that an evil monster.

God is not someone who can do something............................God is simply seeing, witnessing.
There isn't anything other than what there is............so look and stay looking and you might find that God is none other than that which is looking.
Saint Francis of Assisi said 'We are looking for what is looking'.
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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
God is not someone who can do something............................God is simply seeing, witnessing.


Isn't seeing and witnessing something you can do?

People who are confident in what they believe don't need to resort to riddles.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
God is not someone who can do something

Urm...the Christian god allegedly used to be able to do things, think miracles, but suddenly decided to no longer help people just watch them suffer for the last 2000 years.
You can keep that monster of a god thanks, and until you can explain why your god decided to stop miracles and instead eat popcorn while watching people suffer then I'll condemn such an entity for as long as I live.

There is no excuse for an omnipotent and omniscient god to let his creation suffer.
I'm shocked that anyone these days has faith in such a cruel beast, never mind the lack of any evidence to support such crazy faith.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
There is no excuse for an omnipotent and omniscient god to let his creation suffer.


Yes there is.

Free will.

I don't believe a word of it but it's not true to say there is no excuse.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
Okay, no morally defensible reason.
I would argue morals all day with the Christian God...it is a cruel monster who decided to stop helping the suffering 2000 years ago.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Or even 3,000 years ago, or 4 or 20 or 200,000 years ago.

Actually, when was he helping the suffering in the first place for him to be able to stop it?

But it could just come down to Ying and Yang.
Without sadness happiness can't exist.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
I don't believe any of it mate, I'm just going on the claims of miracles which religious folk go on about, you know, those miracles which nobody sees anymore.
If 'God' was able to perform miracles back in the day then suddenly decided to stop, and instead just watches it's believers suffer even when they pray to it, then that god is a beast who deserves no love or faith from me.

Unless any god can explain to me why it ignores suffering innocents these days then that god will be shunned by any morally inspired, rational thinking person.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

To be honest I find the idea of a god who does good to people who pray far, far worse than one that ignores prayer.

But I've gotta say I'm confused why you want to shun god.
Do you feel the same animosity toward the tooth fairy and Fred Flintstone?



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
Isn't seeing and witnessing something you can do?


No.........seeing and witnessing IS happening.
You might believe that there is a 'you' that 'does' seeing, however, seeing and witnessing are happening regardless of what thought says....in fact if thought says something, it is seen/heard/witnessed as it appears/occurs.
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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:57 AM
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Lol, I put gods in the same bracket as pixies and the tooth fairy.
I was speaking hypothetically.
Of course I would shun the god which Christians claim to exist.
...I don't know anyone who claims the tooth fairy exists though, do you?



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
There is no excuse for an omnipotent and omniscient god to let his creation suffer.


Yes there is.

Free will.

I don't believe a word of it but it's not true to say there is no excuse.


so out of curiosity, lets say that we collectively use our free will to exercise a democratic process and impeach this omnipotent and omniscient god for neglect and misuse of its sovereign duties. replace the theocratic balance of powers with a constitutional government that respects the inalienable rights of its citizens instead of owning us like commodities. if there is no excuse for god, there is no excuse for us. viva la revolucion.



posted on Aug, 18 2018 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
God is not someone who can do something............................God is simply seeing, witnessing.


Isn't seeing and witnessing something you can do?

People who are confident in what they believe don't need to resort to riddles.


Yes, and that is exactly the point.
I think it was Deepak Chopra who commented that we are each a pair of God's eyes.
That is utterly consistent with the Vedic view that each of us has a core consciousness that is not different between individuals. IE My core sense of I am (which is the only part of me that never changes- it can be obscured or allowed to emerge) is EXACTLY the same as yours- and that consciousness is what is referred to as "God".
The same sort of thing was said by many Christian mystics.


As for resorting to riddles- the Taoist analysis makes it plain that metaconcepts like "God" are beyond verbal description.
Hence the Buddha's decision to keep a noble silence on the subject. That was done simply because it is not possible to address the matter of "God" with a verbal concept- regardless of what the fundamentalists of any religion attempt to do.

I have often said, when looking for an amusing fight: "Define me your God, if your definition is precise enough to be useful, I will refute it- using the terms of your definition.

Nagarjuna, one of the greatest figures in Buddhism, sometimes called the second Buddha, wrote extensively on the inadequacy of language for understanding topics such as emptiness. Virtually all of his work was through refutation "not this, not this for thousands of pages.

So when we come to any deeper concept, whatever we say will miss the mark.
That is why speaking in riddles is essential-- to open space.

As the Tao te Ching says:

He who speaks,
Knows not.
He who knows,
speaks not.

Simply because he who knows the ultimate nature of reality, also knows that words are not enough for the task. He knows that if he opened his mouth he would only mislead.



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