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originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: introvert
Why do you want stricter gun laws? Or guns banned entirely?
And why do you think people want stricter immigration laws?
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Or you know just going through naturalization legally where they already perform those tests.
Yeah, it's a shame that natural legalization is stupid expensive, takes many many years, requires access to traveling to and from your home country many times over the process, and CURRENTLY our government also wants to restrict legal immigration access to the country too. My Chinese buddy who has been trying to get a green card for the last decade and half has told me all the hang ups with that system. To be honest, it isn't surprising in the least that people skip it for how much bull# you have to go through.
So your answer is to just rubber-stamp everyone who wants in?
Tell you what, we'll let them in only if progressives proponents take their place in their country of origin to help turn those into utopias.
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: network dude
My point is, there are multiple problems with weak borders, not just what is fair?
Potential Terrorist
Illegal drugs
Human Trafficking
Organ Harvesting
Here’s a thought, maybe people could contact their representatives to try and come up with a better, quicker, less expensive process. Then we will have more workers adding to the tax pool, and less identity fraud!
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude
And I don't see how that family is a threat to our borders that requires them to be protected.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: network dude
I am not sure if you are doing this intentionally, or you really do believe this. First off, doing something that is hard or that others thing is impossible, are the defining moments in our history. Not the US history, WORLD history. Those who we consider to be great men and women, did things others thought impossible, for the benefit of mankind. I don't claim to be even close to that kind of person, but I admire and respect the drive and determination a person would have to be that great.
For the THIRD time, I didn't say that leveling a mountain is impossible. I am a FIRM believer in the saying, "Where there is a will, there is a way." Of course it can be done if the desire and effort were there. The point I'm making is that the desire and effort AREN'T there. Instead we do things like build tunnels through mountains or cut valleys into the tops of them to make passage through easier. This is just an analogy anyways. There isn't exactly a need to level any mountains out there.
Second, yes, immigration is a problem and as long as we have the sh!t, others will want to be part of our sh!t. And there is a right way to go about that. If we give up and say protecting the borders is just way too hard, let's all just do a few bong rips and sing kum buy ya, then we aren't part of the solution, we are a YUGE part of the problem. Sadly, it's starting to sound like that's your position on this and that is sad to me. Being the kind of person who runs away from anything hard is not the kind of person I respect or even tolerate. Kids can learn how to overcome that mentality, adults just try to defend it. I sincerely hope that your statements on this are just based on your need to be a good partisan leftie and not how you really approach life.
I don't come to ATS looking for your respect or tolerance. Plus I've yet to converse with you where I got the feeling you were giving it to me to begin with. I've always spoken to you under the assumption that you have zero respect for me, my positions, and my thoughts. So your words and threats here are toothless.
For instance, in this very paragraph you have decided what I think without actually asking me if it is true all so you can use that as proof of why you shouldn't like me. Textbook example of your ongoing disrespect for me. You probably didn't even realize you were doing it either because you do it so naturally.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Or you know just going through naturalization legally where they already perform those tests.
Yeah, it's a shame that natural legalization is stupid expensive, takes many many years, requires access to traveling to and from your home country many times over the process, and CURRENTLY our government also wants to restrict legal immigration access to the country too. My Chinese buddy who has been trying to get a green card for the last decade and half has told me all the hang ups with that system. To be honest, it isn't surprising in the least that people skip it for how much bull# you have to go through.
So your answer is to just rubber-stamp everyone who wants in?
Tell you what, we'll let them in only if progressives proponents take their place in their country of origin to help turn those into utopias.
The hell? Immigration isn't a zero sum policy.
originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
Illegal immigration simply doesn't matter to me. It has had no negative impact on life. They roof my house if it needs replacing. They pick the fruits and veggies I buy at reasonable prices. And if I need some work done around the yard, I can pick up a couple pretty much anywhere and they will get the job done for a reasonable price.
You ever had a roof replaced or some landscaping done? Hell, you ever bought a new home? Who do you think did/does that work? Did you go around verifying the legal status of each one that "looked illegal"? Bet you didn't. You benefited from them.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: introvert
Here is what I have learned from this thread. Laws, (particularly immigration laws) are subjective to feelings.
If that is not correct, then explain why immigration laws should not be followed.
originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: network dude
how are the laws of immigration being overlooked by the left?
originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
Laws are laws and should be enforced, with that being said here's the issue I take with conservatives when it comes to the illegal immigrant issue:
They only appear to care about illegal immigration when the country of origin is south of the border.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: network dude
how are the laws of immigration being overlooked by the left?
Obama had deported more illegals than any other republican president over the last few decades....that easy-to-find statistic is ignored by the right...maybe that's why "network dude" remains baffled....if facts don't fit a certain narrative, ignore them altogether, like trump does.