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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude
Here is another article from your linked website.
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org...
Despite the abundance of evidence that immigration is not linked to higher crime rates, and that immigrants are less likely to be criminals than the native-born, many U.S. policymakers succumb to their fears and prejudices about what they imagine immigrants to be. As a result, far too many immigration policies are drafted on the basis of stereotypes rather than substance.
“Fears and prejudices” Hmmmm. That sounds a lot like “mah feels” to me. So tell me how these immigration policies are based in logic again?
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude
So you can’t tell me how immigration policies are always based on logic.
Didn’t think so.
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: Krazysh0t
It is a well known fact, that terrorist have trained in Mexico, and have crossed over, not to mention the flow of illegal drugs that come into this country.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude
So you want to know why I feel the way I do about illegal immigrants? Open a history book.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude
Wrong. There is intelligence in recognizing a waste of effort. Yes, with unlimited resources, time, effort, workforce, the blessings of the people living near the mountain, blessings of environmentalists, political capital, and all the many MANY factors and requirements needed to remove a mountain it may not look that bad, but that is theoretical talk. In real life, there is no accomplishing that task. I don't care who you are or how much money you have lying around. It is feasibly impossible.
I look at illegal immigration the same way. You aren't going to stop it as long as America remains a solid place to live and there exists 3rd world countries in the world. You might as well be trying to fight the tide or level a mountain. We should be working to make the people here live's better, and if we REALLY want to curb the influx of people then we need to address the reasons why they come here to begin with. Just closing the door is only treating a symptom, but the illness still exists.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude
All God’s children gots feels. Quit blaming one side of the country for having feels, when your side operates on the feels all the damn time.
Get my point now, skippy? Or do I need to put it in simpler terms for ya?
originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Or you know just going through naturalization legally where they already perform those tests.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Uh yes, they are imaginary. Just because a bunch of men in suits decided that country A ends here and country B begins afterwards doesn't make them any less so. You can have all the paperwork in the world to back that up, but it doesn't change the fact that borders are a construct of the imagination. A bird isn't going to listen to those men saying the US ends here and Canada begins. Hell, it doesn't even stop people with a desire to relocate.
Until Nationalists stop trying to demonize every illegal in the country and kick them out I really don't feel like you guys have a leg to stand on as it pertains to them being exploited or not. If we had my way, they'd be legalized, put on the books, and made much harder to exploit. You, on the other hand, are just using their exploration as a talking point to defend why they shouldn't be here (of course ignoring how much worse their situation was where they came from).
Protest results in ugly actions from protestors. Nothing new here.
For sure. All those pot smokers are TOTALLY destroying the country, right?
Not if you recognize their existence, legalize them, and get their wages to a competitive level. OR you could always target the businesses that actually employ these people, but I never hear you guys itching to blame them for anything.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Not a distraction; many have been caught at the border eliminating further attacks.
Yeah. So? Many have also been caught domestically while already in the States too. Terrorism really isn't the bogeyman the right wing media makes it out to be.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Or you know just going through naturalization legally where they already perform those tests.
Yeah, it's a shame that natural legalization is stupid expensive, takes many many years, requires access to traveling to and from your home country many times over the process, and CURRENTLY our government also wants to restrict legal immigration access to the country too. My Chinese buddy who has been trying to get a green card for the last decade and half has told me all the hang ups with that system. To be honest, it isn't surprising in the least that people skip it for how much bull# you have to go through.
Here is what I have learned from this thread. Laws, (particularly immigration laws) are subjective to feelings.
If that is not correct, then explain why immigration laws should not be followed.
originally posted by: network dude
I am not sure if you are doing this intentionally, or you really do believe this. First off, doing something that is hard or that others thing is impossible, are the defining moments in our history. Not the US history, WORLD history. Those who we consider to be great men and women, did things others thought impossible, for the benefit of mankind. I don't claim to be even close to that kind of person, but I admire and respect the drive and determination a person would have to be that great.
Second, yes, immigration is a problem and as long as we have the sh!t, others will want to be part of our sh!t. And there is a right way to go about that. If we give up and say protecting the borders is just way too hard, let's all just do a few bong rips and sing kum buy ya, then we aren't part of the solution, we are a YUGE part of the problem. Sadly, it's starting to sound like that's your position on this and that is sad to me. Being the kind of person who runs away from anything hard is not the kind of person I respect or even tolerate. Kids can learn how to overcome that mentality, adults just try to defend it. I sincerely hope that your statements on this are just based on your need to be a good partisan leftie and not how you really approach life.