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ACLU Complains: "Trump Used the Word 'America' More Than 80 Times"

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posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: AScrubWhoDied

I am not responsible for how others feel.


aww someone said words now I can't succeed in life...

lol find someone that is able to care.




posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: AScrubWhoDied

This irony is with the ACLU, who lamented "policies that have harmed so many vulnerable American communities", but then goes on to defend illegal, non-Americans.
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posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied

This irony is with the ACLU, who lamented "policies that have harmed so many vulnerable American communities", but then goes on to defend illegal, non-Americans.



Get real. These people have been in America from youth - no fault of their own, many of them working and paying taxes. They are American and its absolutely disgusting that they're being used as political pawns.



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
Out of curiosity I found the text for Obama's last State of the Union.
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America, American or American's are used 87 times. I think that tells the story here.

Way to go "American Civil Liberties Union"


Thanks Obama!



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied

I am not responsible for how others feel.


aww someone said words now I can't succeed in life...

lol find someone that is able to care.


No one is asking you to feel responsible - but now do you see why it's ironic to mention America 80+ times when we have Americans that feel this way towards other Americans?

We simply just can't be asked to care eh?



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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Get real. These people have been in America from youth - no fault of their own, many of them working and paying taxes. They are American and its absolutely disgusting that they're being used as political pawns.


Actually, American citizenship is the status of the person recognized under the custom or law as being a legal member of that nation. So no, they are not American, just luckily enough to have lived there for as long as they have.
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posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Why does the fringe left get a pass but the right is defined by their extremists?

Remember folks on the left, this is extreme. Please react the way those on the right do when their drunk uncle bobs go on a racist tirade.

Your drunk uncle bobs get the highlight and podiums to guide your course.

Just saying: This may be part of the reason for the oppositions issue with your chosen political platform. It may be why people cant agree on things they already agree on....like improving the country.

Curb your crazies. We all got them. We dont all celebrate them.


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posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

America 80 times...umm


Well like the aphorism says:

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: xuenchen

America 80 times...umm


Well like the aphorism says:

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson


So anyone who acts patriotic is a scoundrel? Is that the point you're trying to make?



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied




Get real. These people have been in America from youth - no fault of their own, many of them working and paying taxes. They are American and its absolutely disgusting that they're being used as political pawns.


Actually, American citizenship is the status of the person recognized under the custom or law as being a legal member of that nation. So no, they are not American, just luckily enough to have lived there for as long as they have.


If you want to split hairs then there is no reason to not immediately make these people naturalized citizens - other than to use them as political pawns that is.



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:37 PM
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I'm curious what was he supposed to say instead??



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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Well the ACLU went full retard.

Let's count the ways Trump haters will be offended.




posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: xuenchen

Why does the fringe left get a pass but the right is defined by their extremists?

Remember folks on the left, this is extreme. Please react the way those on the right do when their drunk uncle bobs go on a racist tirade.

Your drunk uncle bobs get the highlight and podiums to guide your course.

Just saying: This may be part of the reason for the oppositions issue with your chosen political platform. It may be why people cant agree on things they already agree on....like improving the country.

Curb your crazies. We all got them. We dont all celebrate them.



Most of the threads I read on these bored disproves your initial premise -

What do you believe to be extremist about the ACLU's statement?

I came to this thread and posted because of the blatant spin that is the OP, the one which attempts to portray the ACLU taking issue with Trumps speech because 'they are anti America' and ignoring the context.

You don't agree with the statement? That's fine.

It's dishonest to spin it into something it's not.

Just saying: This may be part of the reason for the oppositions issue with your chosen political platform.



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: xuenchen

America 80 times...umm


Well like the aphorism says:

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson


Meanwhile Obamas last address he said it 87 times.

Youre so right!



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied




Get real. These people have been in America from youth - no fault of their own, many of them working and paying taxes. They are American and its absolutely disgusting that they're being used as political pawns.


Actually, American citizenship is the status of the person recognized under the custom or law as being a legal member of that nation. So no, they are not American, just luckily enough to have lived there for as long as they have.


If you want to split hairs then there is no reason to not immediately make these people naturalized citizens - other than to use them as political pawns that is.



They are still here illegally, allowing them to stay as long as they have has been more than generous of us.

If they have not made any attempt to become naturalized citizens than they should be deported. If they have started the process let them continue. If they are still minors, make sure they begin the process immediately.

Seems simple enough.



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:54 PM
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In reality this is a nothing of a story to begin with. The ACLU stopped being the protector of "American's" constitutional rights long ago when it became a partisan mouthpiece. They are only interested in things that push their agenda and their parties agenda. Propaganda is their main product now.



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson

If you're going to quote Johnson, it's important to understand what Johnson meant.
Boswell says that he was not referring to "a real and generous love of our country". Johnson was a Tory, so he was hardly likely to be hostile to patriotism in the usual modern sense.

In those "Patriot" was also a political label adopted by the more radical politicians. It was meant to imply that they were for the people rather than for the king. In fact the modern equivalent of that word would be "populist". Of course they were against the policies of the king's government, and especially at that time they opposed the war against America. Thus their attitude was the exact reverse of the modern "patriot", who would be supporting the war.
As a stubborn Tory, Johnson always thought that radical politicians (like Wilkes) were scoundrels.

So Johnson's remark actually means "Anyone who maliciously obstructs the conduct of government, and covers himself by saying "we're doing it for the people", is a scoundrel."
Do you still accept Johnson's verdict, now that you understand it?



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

You're absolutely correct - the quote should not be misrepresented, neither should the ACLU's statement.



posted on Jan, 31 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: Willtell
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson

If you're going to quote Johnson, it's important to understand what Johnson meant.


Wait just a minute!

You're asking folks to consider context and think critically about what they hear and their responses, instead of just spouting off the first stupid thing that comes to their mind?

Buddy, you're asking a lot. Good luck with that...







 
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