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posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: jimmyx

BFFT clearly specified "world class" level speeches in his statement.


I won't take the bait, so....you're absolutely right




posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3


That’s a lot name calling. You can just call me a socialist democrat.

Well, now you know how we feel when we hear how everyone is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

Kinda sucks, don't it? It sucks worse after 8 years of hearing little else.

Trust me.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Revenge?



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Honestly, Obama is among the finest orators to ever hold office. I hated the man, but enjoyed his speeches quite a bit.

Knowing he wrote them does not shock me. He is very eloquent and intelligent. I only wish he would have used that brain to help America.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

According to CBS 43% of Dems watching approved of the speech. 72% for independents. 75% total. That's crazy numbers.
CNN's snap poll had 48% very positive, 22% somewhat positive for 70% total. They had to combine very and somewhat negative into one number at 29% so it didn't look even worse.
Then contrast that to the tantrum display on the floor during the speech -- it's stark. Not a good look.


the democrats that were there, were obligated to listen.....the rest of us changed the channel or did other things....this poll only represents the people that were watching....


So the polls are wrong when its not saying Trump sucks?


I took a course in statistics in college.....every poll taken is ripe for misrepresentation, depending on size, who you're asking, if they are lying, income level, education level, geography, political party, etc.....I am dubious of any poll I see, or hear about....on rare occasions (because i'm 65 and lazy) I'll check out the parameters used, of said poll. I find trouble in some form with all of them.....besides, "if trump sucks" is an emotional question, subject to individual beliefs.


Then you are all too familiar with the axiom "figures don't lie, but liars can figure'.

That summarizes statistics in a breath. People who actually understand these things do not trust statistics, preferring to look at raw data instead. Or KPI's. Or something that isn't extrapolated from sample.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Nope, not from me. A little empathy would be nice.

Even better, how about stopping it?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Did I call you any of those names? I don’t remember the post. Sorry if I did.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Don't know if you personally did or not, but those you support did. Hillary called me "deplorable." Remember?

Would be nice if people started calling out even their allies when they go too far.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt
Having read your reply here is what I am going to tell you: Be careful, it is not what you think it is, and there is a whole lot more that is not stated.

Your last bit, about the expression, Together we can do anything” That is a dollar short and a day late. That is the exact message that the President should have been giving from day one, and he should have gotten those in congress right behind him, but he has not. And actions speak far louder than any words out there.

The first year of any presidency is always a transition, where the old guy is out and the new guy is in. However, it is also important to remember that the Federal Governments year always starts and ends in September. So up until September of 2017, that was all on Obama. So now it is on Trump. And here are a few things to consider as well.

The economy is like a breath, in and out, right now it is going up, but what goes up must come down, and we will have to see how the new tax bill will play out, along with the budget. And all indications is that the new bill is a rotten one and it is going to affect all of the people in the country, especially the most vulnerable. So right now it appears as though the taxes are good, however, when you consider what all he is wanting to work on, who do you really think is going to foot the bill?

So he promised infrastructure plan, however, what is not stated, is where that money is going to come from. I think, that they are going to have to raise taxes, to pay for that infrastructure, however do you think it will be weighted to those at the very top or more towards the middle and bottom of the income bracket?

And yes, he got rid of the mandate, but without it, the entire ACA law will collapse, and ultimately that will have a far greater consequence in some parts of the country, as the money that the ACA provided, will probably go away and now people may be in a far worse condition than before the ACA. And what about replace, we are still waiting for a replacement bill.

While I am not sure what they can do with Prison reform, save get it out of the hands of private industry and work to helping those who serve their time, to adjust and actually help get them hired, and to where they are encouraged to be productive with their lives, maybe actually giving them back their rights, would be a good step, and to help them actually change their lives. Course this is going to be at odds with actual DOJ goals.

Now you mention business, and here is the bottom line to that: The reality is that the President cannot bring back any job or dictate anything in that aspect. And as much as it would be nice to see a resurgence of jobs that can help, the reality is that it ultimately is still up to the individual business to decide on such. And the biggest companies are still creating and shipping jobs to other countries out there, like GE. Carrier, got government contracts, but still shipped jobs to Mexico. And there are some businesses that are not coming back, no matter how many cuts or policy changes that are made, because the man was replaced by a machine, and once that happens, that job is gone, not coming back at all.

And as for getting rid of the bureaucrats out, but there is a tradeoff on that. Most of this presidents choices to fill positions, some of them are from the very same companies that created those bureaucrats in the first place. Or they were not the best choice for that position, or are there to enrich themselves or their family. That does not serve the people, but rather serves only 2 people, the President being one of them.


So while this was a good speech for Trump, a bit long, but the reality is that he is now an official politician, who like any other politician, will never tell you the whole truth, and is there seeking to keep his cushy job, and will tell you anything you want to hear.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Yah Obama should have gotten all of Congress behind him, but alas his mighty pen was his friend.....see how that works?



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: jimmyx
can anyone really think that trump himself would have the mental ability to write a speech like that.....please......there is a big difference between teleprompter trump and tweet trump


To write world class speeches takes a skill and talent that is beyond most presidents.


Even Reagan had a speech writer, but he went off the teleprompter when he said, "Tear down that wall



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
It's hard to take anything Trump says seriously. His relationship with the truth is almost nonexistent.

btw....character counts.


time.com...

www.politico.com...


You have to wonder about people that blindly accept this BS.
I especially loved the part of the speech where Trump mentioned about getting the coal industry back on its feet. I wonder about Democrats who blindly accept that coal is evil and the industry must be destroyed and our energy prices "necessarily skyrocket" to use Obama's own words.....



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 10:50 PM
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The main thing I see in d.c right now is you literally have two sides hard left majority that is the minority, and a bit of a hard right republican side, hard approach on federalism, etc. not saying that is bad but an example, so the powers that be now are just at war now. Their is no middle ground. If (when) we go to war with North Korea, he democrats will gain from the independents the moderates that never choose a side etc, because a war in North Korea will be similar to Vietnam when it comes to its convention, not Iraq. We had a mini breakdown back when Obama won it was after a mess of a war and a bad economy, an American war economy in the 21st century won’t be good. Hell I have not even discussed the lobbyists that have their interests With bought for senators up there. Can’t wait to see the fbi memo I think those still asleep, will be shocked and call it fake. I also bet no one will goto jail, but the corruption will be revealed and no one will do anything about it. Maybe the republicans but things in politics may get messy again like back in the 6o’s once these people start to feel threatened. Deep state has been around for a very, very, long time....



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig
Wow! What a DebbieDowner you are.

I am glad to see that you understand that the mandate removal was the best way to get rid of Obamacare.

I think we all know that up and down of the market stuff...been there, done that...learning each time.

In regard to the rotten bureaucrats, he's telling Congress to get on it. (But that's a very clever way to work in the talking point about his hires, #7 or 8 on the list I think.)

I also know that pessimism rarely produces spectacular results. Had I not been a positive cheerleader for my crews, I would have had a very hard time of it. For eight years a great number of us have been verbally assaulted by politicians for simply having a different opinion on any number of issues. Negativity has been the flavor of the year, increasing exponentially over the past year.

So along comes Trump who wants more than anything else to hand off a happy and prosperous United States to the generations to come. He's a cheerleader for the average guy. He's got us convinced that we are going to work together to clean up the mess left by the Clinton/Bush/Obama cabal.

So instead of standing back and jeering, how about putting your back into it and showing some support for your country. How about listening to the vision he presents rather than the msm's harping on whether his wife hates him or not...or whatever other silly crap they target. Loose the attitude that there is nothing he can do that is right and good. Be happy for all those folks whose investments are making their future just a bit more secure. Rejoice in the fact that small businesses are hiring folks who have been looking for jobs for months---full time jobs as well as part time jobs.

The motto isn't "Yes we can!" it's "Together we can!"



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:58 AM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig


That is the exact message that the President should have been giving from day one, and he should have gotten those in congress right behind him, but he has not. And actions speak far louder than any words out there.

I keep hearing this... "Oh, look, he's not making the Democrats support him." I wonder how he is supposed to do this. Should he hold a gun to the head of those who continually berate him unless they support him?

It takes two to tango. If one isn't willing to stand up, there's no dance. How about we talk about the absolute refusal of some to even show up at policy meetings, who then complain they had no input on policy?

You're absolutely right that actions speak louder than words. Actions like Schumer shutting down the government because he wanted to open up the borders. Actions like the entire Democratic Party sitting in their seats like they were stuck in superglue while others were applauding the courage of a soldier who risked his life to save a comrade, or a North Korean defector who lost his legs to torture, but still managed to escape the regime. Actions like ignoring the obvious pain of two couples who had lost their daughters to a vicious MS-13 attack. Actions like calling for the impeachment of a sitting President because he gave a bi-partisan speech.

Do those kind of actions speak to you?

Or how about actions like passing the biggest tax cut for everyone in memory? Maybe the action of following through on UN sanctions by bombing a Syrian airport where chemical weapons were being deployed? How about the action of developing his wall proposal through a contest to determine the best design? More regulations rescinded than any other President in history... isn't that an action?

Do those kinds of actions speak to you?


So he promised infrastructure plan, however, what is not stated, is where that money is going to come from.

...he got rid of the mandate, but without it, the entire ACA law will collapse...

The ACA was quite possibly the most expensive single government plan we have ever had. So getting rid of it will gladly pay for many of these programs that will actually help people. Oh, and without killing all insurance, since those infrastructure jobs typically come with insurance.


Now you mention business, and here is the bottom line to that: The reality is that the President cannot bring back any job or dictate anything in that aspect. And as much as it would be nice to see a resurgence of jobs that can help, the reality is that it ultimately is still up to the individual business to decide on such.

You are correct; the government has no ability to force job creation. But they do have the ability to stifle job creation. Not stifling job creation for a change will allow companies to create new jobs. Not everything has to be done by force, you know. Sometimes one can accomplish great things simply by getting out of the way.

Apple is bringing back $350 billion if memory serves. That's $35 billion directly to taxes. Maybe that's less than what Apple would have paid under Obama, but they weren't going to pay Obama's rates. So it's a $35 billion plus. An auto company just announced 2000 new jobs near me. Jobs overall are increasing. Fast food is even having to raise rates to maintain help in some areas. Gas is down to under $2.50 a gallon here, when it was staying around $3.50 a gallon during Obama's reign... I mean term.

All because Trump got government out of the way. Even Momof3 admitted the economy is all due to Trump.


So while this was a good speech for Trump, a bit long, but the reality is that he is now an official politician, who like any other politician, will never tell you the whole truth, and is there seeking to keep his cushy job, and will tell you anything you want to hear.

So you disliked the political speech because a politician gave it? Or because a Republican politician gave it? Why even give a review if the foregone conclusion is that no matter who says what, it is a lie by definition?

Here's a secret: most bills are multiple pages long, because it takes multiple pages to exactly define the details. A mention in a speech is at most two paragraphs long. It's not possible to exactly detail every nuance of every proposal planned for the next 12 months in an hour and a half. As it was, you have already described the speech as "a bit long." Now you want it to go on for 24 hours or longer?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I’ll protect you Red.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


Are they still teaching civics in public schools?


Good essay/report




It appears this thread is a good litmus test, that shows the true polarized American socioligical state of it’s society. I truly blame it on public education in our country. Not to mention the undertones of racism. (Due to the lack of education). To be clear..

Good post thou that was a good job.
edit on 2-2-2018 by Bicent because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: sdcigarpig


That is the exact message that the President should have been giving from day one, and he should have gotten those in congress right behind him, but he has not. And actions speak far louder than any words out there.

I keep hearing this... "Oh, look, he's not making the Democrats support him." I wonder how he is supposed to do this. Should he hold a gun to the head of those who continually berate him unless they support him?

It takes two to tango. If one isn't willing to stand up, there's no dance. How about we talk about the absolute refusal of some to even show up at policy meetings, who then complain they had no input on policy?

You're absolutely right that actions speak louder than words. Actions like Schumer shutting down the government because he wanted to open up the borders. Actions like the entire Democratic Party sitting in their seats like they were stuck in superglue while others were applauding the courage of a soldier who risked his life to save a comrade, or a North Korean defector who lost his legs to torture, but still managed to escape the regime. Actions like ignoring the obvious pain of two couples who had lost their daughters to a vicious MS-13 attack. Actions like calling for the impeachment of a sitting President because he gave a bi-partisan speech.

Do those kind of actions speak to you?

Or how about actions like passing the biggest tax cut for everyone in memory? Maybe the action of following through on UN sanctions by bombing a Syrian airport where chemical weapons were being deployed? How about the action of developing his wall proposal through a contest to determine the best design? More regulations rescinded than any other President in history... isn't that an action?

Do those kinds of actions speak to you?


So he promised infrastructure plan, however, what is not stated, is where that money is going to come from.

...he got rid of the mandate, but without it, the entire ACA law will collapse...

The ACA was quite possibly the most expensive single government plan we have ever had. So getting rid of it will gladly pay for many of these programs that will actually help people. Oh, and without killing all insurance, since those infrastructure jobs typically come with insurance.


Now you mention business, and here is the bottom line to that: The reality is that the President cannot bring back any job or dictate anything in that aspect. And as much as it would be nice to see a resurgence of jobs that can help, the reality is that it ultimately is still up to the individual business to decide on such.

You are correct; the government has no ability to force job creation. But they do have the ability to stifle job creation. Not stifling job creation for a change will allow companies to create new jobs. Not everything has to be done by force, you know. Sometimes one can accomplish great things simply by getting out of the way.

Apple is bringing back $350 billion if memory serves. That's $35 billion directly to taxes. Maybe that's less than what Apple would have paid under Obama, but they weren't going to pay Obama's rates. So it's a $35 billion plus. An auto company just announced 2000 new jobs near me. Jobs overall are increasing. Fast food is even having to raise rates to maintain help in some areas. Gas is down to under $2.50 a gallon here, when it was staying around $3.50 a gallon during Obama's reign... I mean term.

All because Trump got government out of the way. Even Momof3 admitted the economy is all due to Trump.


So while this was a good speech for Trump, a bit long, but the reality is that he is now an official politician, who like any other politician, will never tell you the whole truth, and is there seeking to keep his cushy job, and will tell you anything you want to hear.

So you disliked the political speech because a politician gave it? Or because a Republican politician gave it? Why even give a review if the foregone conclusion is that no matter who says what, it is a lie by definition?

Here's a secret: most bills are multiple pages long, because it takes multiple pages to exactly define the details. A mention in a speech is at most two paragraphs long. It's not possible to exactly detail every nuance of every proposal planned for the next 12 months in an hour and a half. As it was, you have already described the speech as "a bit long." Now you want it to go on for 24 hours or longer?

TheRedneck


This all sounds great. Republicans are in position to make all your dreams come true and a president to sign their laws. And more than half state legislatures. So why are you and republicans still angry and dissatisfied?



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 08:51 AM
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YALL FAKE NEWS




posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

I'm not angry at anything happening now, only angry that I had to endure 8 years of poverty for no good reason other than leaders who could not lead. As for dissatisfied? Not a bit, only anxious for the crooks that caused those 8 years of pain to be brought to justice.

I do enjoy pointing out how those who supported the crooks I mentioned can't seem to keep their story straight. Call it a personality flaw...

TheRedneck



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