The State of the Union thread.

a reply to: olaru12

From the Time article you linked...

Near the end of the address, as expected, Trump touted the greatness of America. It came on the heels of all the nasty stuff about immigration, bolstering America’s nuclear arsenal and muddled claims about North Korea. Republicans leaped to their feet to shout, “USA! USA! USA!” I watched mostly white men shouting with glee as they cheered the snake-oil salesman in presidential garb. Something about the scene made me shudder. It was all too familiar. No matter the political or moral consequences, this was an old vision of America — an old lie — some people desperately wanted to protect.

The author is claiming the "greatness of America" is one of Trump's greatest lies told on Tuesday. Let that sink in for a moment... you are using an article in which the author clearly views current America as being beneath greatness, and is using racist BS scare tactics to attempt to bolster that point, but Donald Trump's speech instilling pride in this country is the problem.

The narrative the far left is pumping out is driving independents and moderates away from the sour, hate-filled trolls sitting with their little cell phone games, wearing their little multicolored sashes, and gnawing on the inside of their lips while refusing to even applaud the successes and virtues of their own constituents on Tuesday night all because they despise the messenger. Please, whatever y'all are doing, continue to do it! The grave's first shovelfuls were dug when the Dems opted to support physical violence and destruction while a band of imbeciles rioted in various cities last year to protest losing an election. The hole was deepened when the same Dems sided themselves with multimillionares refusing to honor the country that made them wealthy, spared no opportunity to talk down to the hard working Americans who support the president or any of his policies, and began an endless loop of horseshoes and hand grenades in which they have spent the better part of a year slinging loose balls of poo at a dart board of Trump in hopes that one or two of the wild accusations will stick while none have managed to do so. The hole was widened when the Dems openly sided with foreigners and illegal aliens against tax paying Americans, showing willingness to shut down the federal government over protection of people who have zero legal claim to be in this country at the expense of our nation's elderly, our soldiers, and our multitude of federal workers. Tuesday night they brought in the backhoe and by God that grave is damn near ready for the coffin containing appreciable and meaningful Democratic participation in American federal governance's corpse. The party has, at most, 9 months to salvage themselves. It will be an uphill climb all the way, particularly as American workers start to see measurable increases in their take home pay thanks to our excellent new tax structure, the aftermath of the Nunes memo, and even deepening of the overall fatigue of an endless witch hunt spectacle which is 100% owned and maintained by Congressional Democrats.

Really, seriously now, the only true question is whether the mortician will need to pick the corpse up at the bottom of the mountain or whether he will need to collect it from some rocky outcropping a couple hundred feet up the scarp.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

According to CBS 43% of Dems watching approved of the speech. 72% for independents. 75% total. That's crazy numbers.
CNN's snap poll had 48% very positive, 22% somewhat positive for 70% total. They had to combine very and somewhat negative into one number at 29% so it didn't look even worse.
Then contrast that to the tantrum display on the floor during the speech -- it's stark. Not a good look.

can anyone really think that trump himself would have the mental ability to write a speech like that.....please......there is a big difference between teleprompter trump and tweet trump

originally posted by: jimmyx
can anyone really think that trump himself would have the mental ability to write a speech like that.....please......there is a big difference between teleprompter trump and tweet trump

gee i thought the whole "you didnt build that" era had passed
guess not

"he didnt write his own speech" disparagement is laughable

a reply to: jimmyx

What scares me, is he just reads off that thing without thinking.

Seriously, should we call that ICE agent "CJ" or "DJ" ? lol

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

According to CBS 43% of Dems watching approved of the speech. 72% for independents. 75% total. That's crazy numbers.
CNN's snap poll had 48% very positive, 22% somewhat positive for 70% total. They had to combine very and somewhat negative into one number at 29% so it didn't look even worse.
Then contrast that to the tantrum display on the floor during the speech -- it's stark. Not a good look.

the democrats that were there, were obligated to listen.....the rest of us changed the channel or did other things....this poll only represents the people that were watching....

a reply to: Eshel

Yeah, I found it strange that the teleprompter he read the whole speech off of had that SNAFU of "DJ or CJ" in it.
:rolleyes:
Obviously he didn't read the speech off the teleprompter, but that fact wrecks The Narrative™.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

According to CBS 43% of Dems watching approved of the speech. 72% for independents. 75% total. That's crazy numbers.
CNN's snap poll had 48% very positive, 22% somewhat positive for 70% total. They had to combine very and somewhat negative into one number at 29% so it didn't look even worse.
Then contrast that to the tantrum display on the floor during the speech -- it's stark. Not a good look.

the democrats that were there, were obligated to listen.....the rest of us changed the channel or did other things....this poll only represents the people that were watching....

So, you make it a habit to commentate on stuff you didn't even bother to watch yourself?
Terms such as "out of depth," "uninformed," "bloviating," and the ever popular "talking out of one's ass" immediately spring to mind. Perhaps actually watching it would be a good move, but I get it, The Narrative™ rules all, regardless of how out of touch with reality it is.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

According to CBS 43% of Dems watching approved of the speech. 72% for independents. 75% total. That's crazy numbers.
CNN's snap poll had 48% very positive, 22% somewhat positive for 70% total. They had to combine very and somewhat negative into one number at 29% so it didn't look even worse.
Then contrast that to the tantrum display on the floor during the speech -- it's stark. Not a good look.

the democrats that were there, were obligated to listen.....the rest of us changed the channel or did other things....this poll only represents the people that were watching....

So the polls are wrong when its not saying Trump sucks?

originally posted by: jimmyx
can anyone really think that trump himself would have the mental ability to write a speech like that.....please......there is a big difference between teleprompter trump and tweet trump

To write world class speeches takes a skill and talent that is beyond most presidents.

originally posted by: Eshel
a reply to: jimmyx

What scares me, is he just reads off that thing without thinking.

Seriously, should we call that ICE agent "CJ" or "DJ" ? lol

what was a big "tell" to me was when a week or so ago, he had feinstein and other democrats sitting at that big conference table along with republican leaders, and he folded up his arms and said, "whatever you guys come up with in congress I'll go along with" after she asked him if he would sign "a clean DACA bill".....McCarthy (house majority leader) corrected him like he was a small child, that said the wrong answer in a first grade math lesson.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Obviously he didn't read the speech off the teleprompter

uh, what?

Are you going to sit there and tell me he wasn't using the teleprompter and was reciting that whole thing off the top of his head?

He fu***d up. No big deal. I was making light of it. (although he does that a LOT. He just corrects himself by adding the word "and" and then the corrected word.) I imagine he probably has an eyesight issue and gets the words a little "sideways". Happens to all of us as we age. Some are too proud to wear glasses though. Oh well.

a reply to: Eshel

I'm suggesting that the speech was a combination of him on the teleprompter and off the teleprompter. My point was that there are a handful on the left who have disregarded the speech because "Oh, he simply read a speech others wrote for him off the teleprompter, big whoop!" yet they clasp right on to the DJ/CJ error... you take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have a solid speech... a solid speech. It's beyond petty to cherry pick something like this and draw attention to a misspeak or foible, poking fun at the speaker for making it, while summarily rejecting the good of the speech as being "just reading." Listen, we had 16 years of a pair of POTUSes who couldn't string three words together without multiple "uhs" and stutters unless they were directly reading their statements. To his credit, Trump is able to speak off the cuff, albeit with a penchant for rambling.

a reply to: Ansuzrune

That’s a lot name calling. You can just call me a socialist democrat.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: jimmyx
can anyone really think that trump himself would have the mental ability to write a speech like that.....please......there is a big difference between teleprompter trump and tweet trump

To write world class speeches takes a skill and talent that is beyond most presidents.

Obama wrote his entire 2016 DNC speech...
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: jimmyx

BFFT clearly specified "world class" level speeches in his statement.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

According to CBS 43% of Dems watching approved of the speech. 72% for independents. 75% total. That's crazy numbers.
CNN's snap poll had 48% very positive, 22% somewhat positive for 70% total. They had to combine very and somewhat negative into one number at 29% so it didn't look even worse.
Then contrast that to the tantrum display on the floor during the speech -- it's stark. Not a good look.

the democrats that were there, were obligated to listen.....the rest of us changed the channel or did other things....this poll only represents the people that were watching....

So, you make it a habit to commentate on stuff you didn't even bother to watch yourself?
Terms such as "out of depth," "uninformed," "bloviating," and the ever popular "talking out of one's ass" immediately spring to mind. Perhaps actually watching it would be a good move, but I get it, The Narrative™ rules all, regardless of how out of touch with reality it is.

Yes, they do comment without knowing what was said or done. It's the way of the whiners. But I love that line, "this poll only represents the people that were watching." So those of us who actually watched the speech had a favorable impression (helped along I might add, by all the positive earnings statements on our investments that we've been getting) while those who didn't watch, only listened to the cry-babies are babbling and attempting to derail a thread about the speech by further whining and witching.

I was out and about doing things during the speech so didn't have a chance to watch until it was over. When I pulled up the CNN page to see if they had a video of the speech I saw the headline saying that 52% had a "less than very positive" rating (the headline has since been changed to "48% had a very positive rating") I was stunned. It was only when I actually read the article that I saw that the positives added up to 70%!!!! Considering that it was in all likelihood Dems and Indies watching CNN I was ASTOUNDED! THAT was a grand slam---from CNN viewers no less. It's no wonder that they looked like someone just kicked their puppy.

Then I watched the entire Kennedy debacle while waiting for Maxine to appear and supply the comedy relief. Poor thing. Even Maxine had enough awareness about her to see the writing on the wall. Poor little Joe Kennedy was sent out with the exact same talking points sent out to all the DNC media people---most that had nothing to do with the president's speech. His wrap-up, talk of burning down and tearing down was a BRILLIANT move on the part of the speech writer---if the goal was to highlight the differences between the current administration's talk of "...together we can do anything..." PERFECT way to draw a word picture. Prez talks about unity and building a great county and a Dem comes along and talks about burning and tearing down.

And they wonder why their numbers are spiraling down by the day?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

It's not an easy thing to do, public speaking. I've done it, and it's a tough thing to learn to do.

That's, usually, not something I'll hold against a person.

a reply to: jimmyx

Writing a speech, and delivering one, are two totally differing critters. ...and that 2016 speech wasn't anything special in any case.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That's what that translated to for me, as well.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

According to CBS 43% of Dems watching approved of the speech. 72% for independents. 75% total. That's crazy numbers.
CNN's snap poll had 48% very positive, 22% somewhat positive for 70% total. They had to combine very and somewhat negative into one number at 29% so it didn't look even worse.
Then contrast that to the tantrum display on the floor during the speech -- it's stark. Not a good look.

the democrats that were there, were obligated to listen.....the rest of us changed the channel or did other things....this poll only represents the people that were watching....

So the polls are wrong when its not saying Trump sucks?

I took a course in statistics in college.....every poll taken is ripe for misrepresentation, depending on size, who you're asking, if they are lying, income level, education level, geography, political party, etc.....I am dubious of any poll I see, or hear about....on rare occasions (because i'm 65 and lazy) I'll check out the parameters used, of said poll. I find trouble in some form with all of them.....besides, "if trump sucks" is an emotional question, subject to individual beliefs.