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The State of the Union thread.

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posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3


Without mandate, it is no longer Obamacare.

So you're saying Obamacare is a flimsy, unstable system that can crash in upon itself at the slightest problem?

Good. I agree.

TheRedneck




posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Eshel

Point of order: I called Obama(doesn’t)care many times. Even did so in a letter to then Minority Leader Boehner who was my representative at the time on how to overturn it when Obama signed it into law. His lack of action (that even admittedly would be a bloodbath) involved removing from office those that voted to grant a power not enumerated by the Constitution by simple majority instead of the amendment process. Violation of oath of office to uphold the Constitution was all the charges needed to remove them. Charged as a block meant very few Democrats could vote to retain them. The Republicans could have voted to impeach Obama on the same grounds for signing it into law before the replacements were installed. Leaving only the Senate to protect him, if they did not follow the House’s actions.

Just as well they didn’t follow that suggestion. I think Romney would have been worse for the country than a two term Obama despite all that has happened. Hindsight being what it is and all.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Of course insurance is a racket. Get rid of insurance. Medicare for all.

I don’t believe that unfair tax baloney spouted by republicans. No elections were lost over mandated car insurance. Their principles have more exception holes than Swiss cheese. ACA is still law with no replacement.
Did he mention the failing healthcare in his speech?



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3


It is trumps economy and policies.

Good! I am so glad you openly acknowledge that all the jobs, the increasing retirement plans, the bonuses and the new business investments are all due to President Donald J. Trump.

Again, I agree.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


When I was in about 4 in kindergarten kids used to say "I know you are, but what am I?" when responding to being called a name they didn't like. The democrats and Obamacare discussion is strikingly similar.

I bet they sat around and pouted when they didn't get their way, too... just like the Democrats in Congress did during Trump's speech. This seems to be a recurring comparison as of late.

I wonder when they'll start threatening to hold their breath?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


The mandate was the source of revenue for subsidies for low income. So of course next year they will choose not to participate. Then the main purpose of ACA will be null.
Medicare for all.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3


Of course insurance is a racket. Get rid of insurance. Medicare for all.

Medicare is insurance.

Affordable healthcare for all, maybe?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3


The mandate was the source of revenue for subsidies for low income.

Wait... the mandate gave money to the insurance companies... the subsidies came from the government. How did the money get from the insurance companies to the government?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Yeah. I was listening to callers on cspan this morning. The stockholders, investors, and retirees are very happy with their portfolios.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Like mandating car insurance, more participation, more money, cheaper rates.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3


Yeah. I was listening to callers on cspan this morning. The stockholders, investors, and retirees are very happy with their portfolios.

All thanks to President Donald J. Trump!

I like it when people are happy. Don't you?


Like mandating car insurance, more participation, more money, cheaper rates.

But health insurance is more expensive now than it was before Obamacare, not cheaper. It also doesn't pay as much. Come to think of it, when car insurance became mandatory in Alabama, my rates went up about 50% over three years.

And none of that answers the question I asked: Mandatory insurance gives more money to the insurance companies. Subsidies give money from the government to the insurance companies. The only ones I see getting money are the insurance companies, which you just said above are a racket. So why are you so anxious to give racketeers more money? Isn't that sort of wrong?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck
Isn’t making a profit the insurance company number one mission. You know for investors and retirees. The only way insurance companies will provide insurance to low income is because of subsidies.
Unless you want to cut capitalism out of one sixth of economy and go universal.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Yes, profit is always the mission for any private company. And it appears the insurance company is making a LOT of it, by law. I don't think we need laws requiring companies to profit. That should be something that happens because they make a good product at a good price.

Do you think the government should pass laws that all companies make profits like they did for the insurance companies? Or are they just special?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Yeah, I think we should pay their ransom. Just like we did with the tax cut law for Wall Street. Happiness trickles down.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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Well, sorry, I disagree. I don't want a law like they used to have in Japan, where everyone who made above a certain amount was required to buy a new car every three years. I don't want a law that says I have to spend $100 in Wal-Mart every month. I don't want a law that says I have to buy new furniture every five years.

I consider those things wrong. Just like I consider a law saying I have to buy insurance wrong. And yes, that includes car insurance.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: TheRedneck


The mandate was the source of revenue for subsidies for low income. So of course next year they will choose not to participate. Then the main purpose of ACA will be null.
Medicare for all.
Neither way is good because subsidies for low income is just another term for redistribution of income which is socialist and more money to the insurance companies who are in bed with government is fascist.... the bureaucracy and regulations is nanny state totalitarianism which is also fascist. Another term for this is "public-private partnership" which is a term right out of ascends 21 which is an apparatus of the One World Government.
Trump is going against all of that but can only do a bit at a time but he's moving quick as he can what with all the controlled media and Deep State running interference.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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Typical liberal tag your it. Obama care is Obummers total responsibility. It was a Marxist transfer of wealth. Why do your democrat cronies put illegals first over Americans?!! Because they lost touch with the American people and NEED VOTES!!
Hand out entitlements instead of bottles of whisky. Whats the difference? Democrats have completely melted down. Name calling. Bitchy little complaints on how President Trump said this or that. Divide and conquer will not work here. Any red blooded American with any common sense or education outside the public arena can see the democrats as stooges that they are. Trump will landslide in 2020. Liberals have been useful idiots for the Marxists and your useful idiots for us. Keep up the complaining, finger pointing, false narratives and such. The American people are tiring of this BS. Seventy five percent of independents loved the Presidents SOTU speech. Pack that in your pipe and smoke it.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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Car insurance argument, I love that one. It is the State which mandates car insurance not the Federal government. Done so under the threat of withholding federal road funds. Just like the change down to 55mph in the 1970’s. Each state did have the option to administer car insurance as they seen fit.

Ohio decided to go far and above by maintaining a database of private contracts between companies and individuals as well as give the BMV to power to conduct random searches demanding proof of insurance among registered car owners. Fines and driving suspensions without trial and without work exemptions like DUI cases. So with the database in place how efficient are the “random” checks? Pretty darn efficient. Oh, and the kicker is that you can buy car insurance across state lines in Ohio, but it better be with an Ohio approved insurance company otherwise your proof of insurance is invalid. Meaning the company has a very large bond deposited with the State of Ohio. Any guesses who makes the most interest on that deposit that is invested?

Care to talk about Federally funded DUI checkpoints? Here in Ohio the department (local, township, county or state) makes a press release saying where and when and the checkpoint is therefore completely voluntary. It is up to your local media to report or not the announcement. What are the majority of citations? Expired tags, suspended license, lack of insurance, outstanding warrants or tickets, etc...very few are DUI. But there is a slight uptick in DUI in what would be alternate routes to detour around the checkpoint. And citations for the above as well as tail light/head light, failure to signal....oh and also the ever popular seatbelt violations...



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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I thought it was more of the same. Crappy speech and even crappier rebuttal speech by the democrats. Both parties are so out of touch. If the election was held today, Trump would win again, because the democrats are clueless.

We truly live in Idocracy with no none willing to step up and save us.



posted on Feb, 1 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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It's hard to take anything Trump says seriously. His relationship with the truth is almost nonexistent.

btw....character counts.


time.com...

www.politico.com...


You have to wonder about people that blindly accept this BS.
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