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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: jjkenobi
Making it illegal to hire them won't stop the flow of human traffickers, guns, and drugs across the border.
You think that a wall is going to prevent or impact those illegal activities in any significant way. Are you the type that believes taking away guns will prevent criminals from getting them?
We are surrounded by water, air, tunnels, and not to mention good old American bribery.
read again what I said.
Once American companies are not paying illegals to come they wont come. That leaves plenty of the existing resources to cover the Few that are only coming here to cause problems and easier to spot.
What I said was if you take care of the illegal immigrants that are coming here for jobs you will have the resources to go after the human traffickers, guns, and drugs across the border. Then the problem becomes more manageable to go after the trouble makers.
The wall wont make it any more manageable, since we are surrounded by water, air, tunnels, and bribery.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: rickymouse
I don't think we should just have an open door either. There should be many limits.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: face23785
I still don't like the wall as a deterrent.
I would much rather see immigration reform to allow these people a better path to become Americans.
Just seems like a lot of money better used elsewhere.
originally posted by: sdcigarpig
So they tested the wall for those going over it, however that wall is not high enough.
Here is the problem, planes fly over the walls, and an estimated 40% of those who are illegal immigrant, did not cross via land, but simply flew in and never went home.
Nor did they test or go into the other ways that illegal immigrants have used to get into the country. Ways like underground, where they burrow through the ground on one side and then up into a building on the other side.
Then there is the way via the water ways, but that was hamstrung when they cut the budget for the coast guard.
All the while they still fail to address the one main way to stop such, and that is the Boarder Patrol, which still have their hands tied and are not really able to actively engage as they should be able to.
They already provided facts stating that border arrests were down 95% in an area that was fenced/double fenced in.
Saying it doesn't work because people will just take a different route is circular logic.
Don't bother locking your front door, criminals will just use the window. Don't bother locking your windows, burglars will just tunnel in. Don't cement in your foundation, they'll just break through the roof.
originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: 3daysgone
Building that wall will create a lot of jobs, which will put the money back into circulation. That should not be a problem at all.
Mexican money right? Peso's They're going to pay for it remember.
originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: watchitburn
Unsurprisingly many seem to be commenting before reading the article or even bothering to educate themselves on the topic.
Ignorance is bliss...
It's a wall. No matter what you do to it, it's still just a wall.
If people really cared about stopping illegal immigration they'd be petitioning their government to crack down on all the businesses that hire illegals and give them a reason to risk life and limb to get here. Not rallying behind a dumb idea Donald Trump made up at random on the campaign trail.
It's not really an "either or" scenario. We absolutely should cut benefits and enforce penalties for businesses. Maybe that's why they lobby so much. We should also make it inconvenient to enter illegally. Yes, people will still come in by sea or air, but that's a lot more involved generally. I don't think you'd see the same numbers with a wall as without. A wall is hardly a cure all.