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originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: SRPrime
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: SRPrime
It would have been good stuff.. except for the main factual error..... Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the House.
He was not removed from office, because of the results of the party line vote in the Senate.
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote, but they hold an actual trial and have found both of the presidents that had been "indicted" with the intent to "remove" them from office, innocent.
Nixon Resigned before the house vote and was pardoned on the same day by his successor, so he completely dodged the entire trial despite being the only guilty president that should have ever been impeached. He was never indicted, nor impeached, he just quit and let his VP pardon him to squash the entire thing.
Really the most abusive thing that ever happened in American history, with the exception of what's happening now -- which is undoubtedly much bigger, and similarly, the same exact content of what Nixon was facing. Using his authority to undermine, surveil, and rob his political opposition.
Nixon was a republican who sabotaged a democrat office, the entire DNC is now trying to do what nixon did to the current and sitting POTUS. Complete with money trail and hidden text messages and email transcripts proving that their actions were absolutely intentional.
The Senate had to 'vote' for that acquittal.
It came down along party lines.
On February 9, after voting against a public deliberation on the verdict, the Senate began closed-door deliberations instead. On February 12, the Senate emerged from its closed deliberations and voted on the articles of impeachment. A two-thirds vote, 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 55 against.[24] (Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voted "not proved" for both charges,[25] which was considered by Chief Justice Rehnquist to constitute a vote of "not guilty".) The obstruction of justice charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against.[26]
wikipedia: Impeachment of Bill Clinton
I don't feel like I have to tell you that every trial is a vote, it's a vote of the jury, or the vote of arbitration, or a vote from the judge, and that calling a trial a vote is absolutely disingenuous even though all trials are concluded with a vote.
In the case of a senate trial; the senate is the jury, and with a jury that large -- it will never be unanimous.
You can say party line vote, but then explain the 50/50. It had nothing to do with "party lines" and everything to do with more people thought he was a victim in a witch hunt that explored his private relationships for no reason; the entire thing started over real estate deals. The entire witch hunt into his sexual endeavors only started because they came up with nothing in their real estate investigation.
It's pretty obvious that what happened to Bill is quasi the same thing that's happening to Trump right now, only less corrupt. Bill got to the middle of his second term before his "impeachment" despite the real estate dealings being publicly known about prior to his first election.
So why tell me that the Senate didn't vote?
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote
^^that was you^^, straightening me out.
It was a vote.
I am happy that you admitted it.
The vote did fall along party lines, regardless of what their 'reasoning' might have been.
originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: pravdaseeker
Up until trumps presidency the FBI, has been doing a bang up job...Now suddenly they are the bad guys. Give me a break, you people need to stop drinking trumpaid.
The POTUS, is painting the FBI to be the bad guys, to make his few supporters stand by him.....The fact this week he said fake news, fake news, about him wanting to fire Muller, should have woken you up, but no, you just keep sticking up for the man.
Now dreams and predictions are all you have left.
Oh and here why not read this....
www.yahoo.com...
God allowed Hitler into power for a reason. To encourage the Jews to go back to Israel.
For not following through on all things, he will eventually be removed from power by God
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: visitedbythem
God allowed Hitler into power for a reason. To encourage the Jews to go back to Israel.
So god allowed the extermination of so many millions as a friendly nudge (encouragement) so Israel could have a homeland. I see. So the Balfour declaration that was published in 1917 wasn't Gods doing; or did it need Hitler to move things along. What sort of god is this?
For not following through on all things, he will eventually be removed from power by God
So if the wall is not built or some of his EO's are challenged he will be removed by God? hmmm...
originally posted by: SRPrime
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: SRPrime
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: SRPrime
It would have been good stuff.. except for the main factual error..... Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the House.
He was not removed from office, because of the results of the party line vote in the Senate.
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote, but they hold an actual trial and have found both of the presidents that had been "indicted" with the intent to "remove" them from office, innocent.
Nixon Resigned before the house vote and was pardoned on the same day by his successor, so he completely dodged the entire trial despite being the only guilty president that should have ever been impeached. He was never indicted, nor impeached, he just quit and let his VP pardon him to squash the entire thing.
Really the most abusive thing that ever happened in American history, with the exception of what's happening now -- which is undoubtedly much bigger, and similarly, the same exact content of what Nixon was facing. Using his authority to undermine, surveil, and rob his political opposition.
Nixon was a republican who sabotaged a democrat office, the entire DNC is now trying to do what nixon did to the current and sitting POTUS. Complete with money trail and hidden text messages and email transcripts proving that their actions were absolutely intentional.
The Senate had to 'vote' for that acquittal.
It came down along party lines.
On February 9, after voting against a public deliberation on the verdict, the Senate began closed-door deliberations instead. On February 12, the Senate emerged from its closed deliberations and voted on the articles of impeachment. A two-thirds vote, 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 55 against.[24] (Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voted "not proved" for both charges,[25] which was considered by Chief Justice Rehnquist to constitute a vote of "not guilty".) The obstruction of justice charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against.[26]
wikipedia: Impeachment of Bill Clinton
I don't feel like I have to tell you that every trial is a vote, it's a vote of the jury, or the vote of arbitration, or a vote from the judge, and that calling a trial a vote is absolutely disingenuous even though all trials are concluded with a vote.
In the case of a senate trial; the senate is the jury, and with a jury that large -- it will never be unanimous.
You can say party line vote, but then explain the 50/50. It had nothing to do with "party lines" and everything to do with more people thought he was a victim in a witch hunt that explored his private relationships for no reason; the entire thing started over real estate deals. The entire witch hunt into his sexual endeavors only started because they came up with nothing in their real estate investigation.
It's pretty obvious that what happened to Bill is quasi the same thing that's happening to Trump right now, only less corrupt. Bill got to the middle of his second term before his "impeachment" despite the real estate dealings being publicly known about prior to his first election.
So why tell me that the Senate didn't vote?
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote
^^that was you^^, straightening me out.
It was a vote.
I am happy that you admitted it.
The vote did fall along party lines, regardless of what their 'reasoning' might have been.
It's not a vote; it's a trial that concludes in a vote, to say it's just a vote is disingenuous. It's not the same thing as the house -- the house doesn't watch a trial before voting, they just vote based upon the articles of impeachment.
I suppose if I added the word "Just" you'd figure out the context right?
"The senate doesn't vote; they hold a trial"
vs
"The senate doesn't just vote; they hold a trial"
Despite you knowing exactly what I meant?
Or do y'all just nope out on the first sentence every time?
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: visitedbythem
But I do understand what you wrote - you conveniently overlooked the Balfour declaration and talked about Hitler. I can only go by your words; its up to you to show some consistency in an argument "for" God.
originally posted by: visitedbythem
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: visitedbythem
God allowed Hitler into power for a reason. To encourage the Jews to go back to Israel.
So god allowed the extermination of so many millions as a friendly nudge (encouragement) so Israel could have a homeland. I see. So the Balfour declaration that was published in 1917 wasn't Gods doing; or did it need Hitler to move things along. What sort of god is this?
For not following through on all things, he will eventually be removed from power by God
So if the wall is not built or some of his EO's are challenged he will be removed by God? hmmm...
Im sorry you don't understand. Sometimes you cant see the forest from the trees.