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originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Dear ATS Readers, Writers,
a reply to: schuyler
Thanks schuyler, good point.. you mention something I intended to have people think about.
Extremism.... religious extremism is also quite dangerous. Extremism in any form I dare say has great potential to be dangerous to society.
Pravdaseeker
originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Dear ATS Readers, Writers,
a reply to: Revolution9
Thanks Revo9, good stuff...good response.
It is a pretty complicated Kabuki show isn't it!
Pravdaseeker
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Dear ATS Readers, Writers,
a reply to: Revolution9
Thanks Revo9, good stuff...good response.
It is a pretty complicated Kabuki show isn't it!
Pravdaseeker
It would have been good stuff.. except for the main factual error..... Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the House.
He was not removed from office, because of the results of the party line vote in the Senate.
It would have been good stuff.. except for the main factual error..... Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the House.
He was not removed from office, because of the results of the party line vote in the Senate.
originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Dear ATS Readers, Writers,
a reply to: Revolution9
Thanks Revo9, good stuff...good response.
It is a pretty complicated Kabuki show isn't it!
Pravdaseeker
originally posted by: visitedbythem
God allowed Hitler into power for a reason. To encourage the Jews to go back to Israel.
They were sent away as punishment. It was time for them to go home.
Jehu Trump has a purpose too. He fulfills alot of it, but not all. For not following through on all things, he will eventually be removed from power by God
Trumps family however, will remain in power for quite some time. So that is either his daughter or son that will take his place. I would like to see his daughter take the reins.
originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: pravdaseeker
Up until trumps presidency the FBI, has been doing a bang up job...Now suddenly they are the bad guys. Give me a break, you people need to stop drinking trumpaid.
originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: SRPrime
That is where I was coming from.
This is nowhere near the scandal. Trump has not actually done anything wrong. Wow, is a man not able to fire off in the office without it being a mortal sin? Thank goodness I do not have to live in that. Imagine how stressful it must be.
How many times in the day do I swear and moan? Imagine having someone feeding your every move as some possible propaganda piece. Seems a man is surrounded by enemies even when he calls them friend.
originally posted by: SRPrime
It would have been good stuff.. except for the main factual error..... Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the House.
He was not removed from office, because of the results of the party line vote in the Senate.
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote, but they hold an actual trial and have found both of the presidents that had been "indicted" with the intent to "remove" them from office, innocent.
Nixon Resigned before the house vote and was pardoned on the same day by his successor, so he completely dodged the entire trial despite being the only guilty president that should have ever been impeached. He was never indicted, nor impeached, he just quit and let his VP pardon him to squash the entire thing.
Really the most abusive thing that ever happened in American history, with the exception of what's happening now -- which is undoubtedly much bigger, and similarly, the same exact content of what Nixon was facing. Using his authority to undermine, surveil, and rob his political opposition.
Nixon was a republican who sabotaged a democrat office, the entire DNC is now trying to do what nixon did to the current and sitting POTUS. Complete with money trail and hidden text messages and email transcripts proving that their actions were absolutely intentional.
On February 9, after voting against a public deliberation on the verdict, the Senate began closed-door deliberations instead. On February 12, the Senate emerged from its closed deliberations and voted on the articles of impeachment. A two-thirds vote, 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 55 against.[24] (Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voted "not proved" for both charges,[25] which was considered by Chief Justice Rehnquist to constitute a vote of "not guilty".) The obstruction of justice charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against.[26]
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: SRPrime
It would have been good stuff.. except for the main factual error..... Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the House.
He was not removed from office, because of the results of the party line vote in the Senate.
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote, but they hold an actual trial and have found both of the presidents that had been "indicted" with the intent to "remove" them from office, innocent.
Nixon Resigned before the house vote and was pardoned on the same day by his successor, so he completely dodged the entire trial despite being the only guilty president that should have ever been impeached. He was never indicted, nor impeached, he just quit and let his VP pardon him to squash the entire thing.
Really the most abusive thing that ever happened in American history, with the exception of what's happening now -- which is undoubtedly much bigger, and similarly, the same exact content of what Nixon was facing. Using his authority to undermine, surveil, and rob his political opposition.
Nixon was a republican who sabotaged a democrat office, the entire DNC is now trying to do what nixon did to the current and sitting POTUS. Complete with money trail and hidden text messages and email transcripts proving that their actions were absolutely intentional.
The Senate had to 'vote' for that acquittal.
It came down along party lines.
On February 9, after voting against a public deliberation on the verdict, the Senate began closed-door deliberations instead. On February 12, the Senate emerged from its closed deliberations and voted on the articles of impeachment. A two-thirds vote, 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 55 against.[24] (Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voted "not proved" for both charges,[25] which was considered by Chief Justice Rehnquist to constitute a vote of "not guilty".) The obstruction of justice charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against.[26]
wikipedia: Impeachment of Bill Clinton
The truth is, not a single one president has ever really been impeached,
Semantics; the impeachment proceedings started. It has to pass congress and senate, it failed to do so. He also was not indicted while he was sitting as POTUS.
A common misconception is that impeachment of an official means his or her removal from office.
In fact, impeachment functions as an indictment of a public official; it allows the legislature to bring formal charges against a civil officer of government.
After an official has been impeached, or formally charged, a trial is held to determine whether or not the official will be removed from office.
In the US Federal Government, the House of Representatives impeaches government officials and the trial takes place before the Senate.
The House votes on the articles of impeachment, requiring a simple majority to pass them. Upon passage of the articles, an individual has been impeached.
originally posted by: SRPrime
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: SRPrime
It would have been good stuff.. except for the main factual error..... Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the House.
He was not removed from office, because of the results of the party line vote in the Senate.
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote, but they hold an actual trial and have found both of the presidents that had been "indicted" with the intent to "remove" them from office, innocent.
Nixon Resigned before the house vote and was pardoned on the same day by his successor, so he completely dodged the entire trial despite being the only guilty president that should have ever been impeached. He was never indicted, nor impeached, he just quit and let his VP pardon him to squash the entire thing.
Really the most abusive thing that ever happened in American history, with the exception of what's happening now -- which is undoubtedly much bigger, and similarly, the same exact content of what Nixon was facing. Using his authority to undermine, surveil, and rob his political opposition.
Nixon was a republican who sabotaged a democrat office, the entire DNC is now trying to do what nixon did to the current and sitting POTUS. Complete with money trail and hidden text messages and email transcripts proving that their actions were absolutely intentional.
The Senate had to 'vote' for that acquittal.
It came down along party lines.
On February 9, after voting against a public deliberation on the verdict, the Senate began closed-door deliberations instead. On February 12, the Senate emerged from its closed deliberations and voted on the articles of impeachment. A two-thirds vote, 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 55 against.[24] (Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voted "not proved" for both charges,[25] which was considered by Chief Justice Rehnquist to constitute a vote of "not guilty".) The obstruction of justice charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against.[26]
wikipedia: Impeachment of Bill Clinton
I don't feel like I have to tell you that every trial is a vote, it's a vote of the jury, or the vote of arbitration, or a vote from the judge, and that calling a trial a vote is absolutely disingenuous even though all trials are concluded with a vote.
In the case of a senate trial; the senate is the jury, and with a jury that large -- it will never be unanimous.
You can say party line vote, but then explain the 50/50. It had nothing to do with "party lines" and everything to do with more people thought he was a victim in a witch hunt that explored his private relationships for no reason; the entire thing started over real estate deals. The entire witch hunt into his sexual endeavors only started because they came up with nothing in their real estate investigation.
It's pretty obvious that what happened to Bill is quasi the same thing that's happening to Trump right now, only less corrupt. Bill got to the middle of his second term before his "impeachment" despite the real estate dealings being publicly known about prior to his first election.
Except the part where the senate doesn't vote
originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: SRPrime
The truth is, not a single one president has ever really been impeached,
Semantics; the impeachment proceedings started. It has to pass congress and senate, it failed to do so. He also was not indicted while he was sitting as POTUS.
Wrong.
Impeachment is basically bringing formal charges. Bill Clinton WAS impeached by the Congress.
What goes to the senate is basically a trial to determine if the formal charges layed down by the Congress merit the removal of the impeached person from office.
A common misconception is that impeachment of an official means his or her removal from office.
In fact, impeachment functions as an indictment of a public official; it allows the legislature to bring formal charges against a civil officer of government.
After an official has been impeached, or formally charged, a trial is held to determine whether or not the official will be removed from office.
In the US Federal Government, the House of Representatives impeaches government officials and the trial takes place before the Senate.
The House votes on the articles of impeachment, requiring a simple majority to pass them. Upon passage of the articles, an individual has been impeached.
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The impeachment process is the filing of the Articles of Impeachment, then the House vote, then the senate holds a trial. If the senate find you guilty, you're impeached. If not; you're not.
The word impeached is being used in place of the term "Indicted" incorrectly as far as I'm concerned, considering that a House vote of impeachment is just congress issuing an indictment, in which you're then tried in the court of senate.