Turkey: US is the enemy for Turkey

a reply to: 23432

You have no idea of who greywolves are , lets leave it at that , shall we ?

I have a pretty good idea what their ideology are and your posts are fit the bill, same as the Kemalisten. And yes lets leave it that since its not the purpose of the thread.

I have never voted for Erdogan and will never vote for Erdogan either ; I smoke dope and I drink alcohol for start .

Your personal habits are not my interest.

One thing that YOU have to understand is the " European Values " are regional , segregatory and discriminatory in their core .

Thats the beauty of it. Each country has its own values and are free to oppose their views freely. On the other hand on Turkey different views are get you to jail. As i said before the Turkish values are incopatible with the EU-Values.

Values that Erdogan represents actually appeal to at least 1.4 billion people over 50+ nations.

Ofcourse it does appeal to the Islamistic countries, but does not make them Democracy. The dreams of a "ottoman Empire" revival where Turkey will lead the Islamic world well...its a dream...The sooner your "beloved" president wokes up the better.

You are a bit ignorant on this subject like our friend who doesn't really understand what Blockchain is all about .

I never claimed to know everything anyway. But i have a clear picture of what is going on.

Peace

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

Nihilism? Not even close. More like falsifiability.


Erdogan has bullied people to close schools with threats big deal.


Politicians are cowards they aren't going to stand up for erdogans old buddy.

Let's get some things strait. Christians were always ruled over by Muslims in the Ottoman. Theyat have been able to practice reigion but they were subjects of Muslims. They didn't hold significant power.


I think a person who justifies the actions of others who wish to subjugate hums it into ethnic groups is the same as the person who wants to do those things.

For instance you won't catch me explaining away why the US has been involved in controlling the mid east to control energy reserves.

I frankly don't care. Nobody is coming for me. No need for mercy. Or drama for that matter.

OK pal , we are the bad guys you are the good guys .

originally posted by: Seed76
a reply to: 23432

You have no idea of who greywolves are , lets leave it at that , shall we ?

I have a pretty good idea what their ideology are and your posts are fit the bill, same as the Kemalisten. And yes lets leave it that since its not the purpose of the thread.

I have never voted for Erdogan and will never vote for Erdogan either ; I smoke dope and I drink alcohol for start .

Your personal habits are not my interest.

One thing that YOU have to understand is the " European Values " are regional , segregatory and discriminatory in their core .

Thats the beauty of it. Each country has its own values and are free to oppose their views freely. On the other hand on Turkey different views are get you to jail. As i said before the Turkish values are incopatible with the EU-Values.

Values that Erdogan represents actually appeal to at least 1.4 billion people over 50+ nations.

Ofcourse it does appeal to the Islamistic countries, but does not make them Democracy. The dreams of a "ottoman Empire" revival where Turkey will lead the Islamic world well...its a dream...The sooner your "beloved" president wokes up the better.

You are a bit ignorant on this subject like our friend who doesn't really understand what Blockchain is all about .

I never claimed to know everything anyway. But i have a clear picture of what is going on.

Peace

Greywolf motto 1 :

Break your bread with the hunger sufferers and stand up for the poor and needy .



Turkish values are obviously not %100 compatable with EU values so you have no argument there .

British , Russian , Chinese values are also not compatible with EU values either .

Erdogan is an democratically elected politician and admired by 1.4 billion people all though he has no guns or money .

No other politician in the World is equal to his status and his stand .

No one goes to jail in Turkey because of their " views " ; they go to jail because they have committed a crime as designated by Constitution .

Lastly , Democracy is not end all be all ; Freedom and independent thought is what matters .

Peace to you too .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: BrightConversation

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.

So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.

Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).

Damn sick situation.

What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .

Without Turks , there is NO NATO .

Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .

Lol Turkey being in NATO is an antiquated decision at this point.

Greece and Turkey joined NATO to stop them from fighting each other. Neither side is there to fight Russia which is the purpose of NATO.

Greece and Turkey joined NATO because they were anti-communist, and were pivotal in preventing Soviet expansion.

Now the only role Turkey plays in NATO is in the war on terrorism. If the US pulls out of that, what use is Turkey in NATO.

Turks can stand on their own against anyone .

History teaches you that fact .

French asked Turks help when they were facing Germen threat and Greeks are only back in NATO because Turks agreed .

When Russians roll into Europe ; French will again betray the Germans and make a deal with Russians .

Brits aren't gonna die for Germans either .

Turks are the only people who taxed Americans , Germans , French , Brits , Greeks , Russians , Chinese .

Turks are not scared of any one nation ; history didn't teach you that ?

In Korean War ,Turks heroics are legendary just ask veterans .

You can romanticize history, but it will forever remain history. Things change.

Turks write history ; just because they were silent in last 100 years doesn't mean they changed .

Tell me whom the Turks should be scarred off ?

Themselves.

If they don't remember and learn from their history they will be doomed to repeat the cycle.

Smart answer .

History beckons for the time being and it's being fulfilled .

Turks have no inherent animosity towards anyone ; if you treat them nice , they treat you nice .

It maybe hard to believe but almost all oppressed nations are beckoning Turks to rise up and smash this usury led system where poor get poorer and rich gets richer .

I understand that Western audiences were/are subjected to relentless anti Turkish propaganda .

Turks embrace multicultural society ; they always have .

You're confusing anti-Erdogan with anti-Turk.

a reply to: 23432
The only good Turkey provides for NATO is access to the Black Sea. Turkey is not even on the Atlantic. You got your wish, Turkey will be split from NATO soon enough, and as any thought of being an ally.

We are not leaving Manbij or any part of Syria unless somebody wants to step up to bat and force us out. So either Erdogen grows a pair and dares to step up, or just limit itself to the Afrin area of North Syria and be done with it. Egypt is on our side, so if Turkey wants to go there you can watch its naval access get hindered severely as one or two CSG's park off your cost and deprive you of the Suez.

And BS on Australia and South Africa being afraid of the US. Some serious nonsense right there.

Mate dont pay attention to the nonsense about Australia being anti American or anti Trump.
The left wing socialist greens types here have almost full control of the media and say and do what they want.
Speak to most normal average Australians especially the middle class who have felt the impact of unfair globalisation and trade pacts and you’ll see the silent majority here too is in support of Trump.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: BrightConversation

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.

So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.

Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).

Damn sick situation.

What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .

Without Turks , there is NO NATO .

Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .

Lol Turkey being in NATO is an antiquated decision at this point.

Greece and Turkey joined NATO to stop them from fighting each other. Neither side is there to fight Russia which is the purpose of NATO.

Greece and Turkey joined NATO because they were anti-communist, and were pivotal in preventing Soviet expansion.

Now the only role Turkey plays in NATO is in the war on terrorism. If the US pulls out of that, what use is Turkey in NATO.

Turks can stand on their own against anyone .

History teaches you that fact .

French asked Turks help when they were facing Germen threat and Greeks are only back in NATO because Turks agreed .

When Russians roll into Europe ; French will again betray the Germans and make a deal with Russians .

Brits aren't gonna die for Germans either .

Turks are the only people who taxed Americans , Germans , French , Brits , Greeks , Russians , Chinese .

Turks are not scared of any one nation ; history didn't teach you that ?

In Korean War ,Turks heroics are legendary just ask veterans .

You can romanticize history, but it will forever remain history. Things change.

Turks write history ; just because they were silent in last 100 years doesn't mean they changed .

Tell me whom the Turks should be scarred off ?

Themselves.

If they don't remember and learn from their history they will be doomed to repeat the cycle.

Smart answer .

History beckons for the time being and it's being fulfilled .

Turks have no inherent animosity towards anyone ; if you treat them nice , they treat you nice .

It maybe hard to believe but almost all oppressed nations are beckoning Turks to rise up and smash this usury led system where poor get poorer and rich gets richer .

I understand that Western audiences were/are subjected to relentless anti Turkish propaganda .

Turks embrace multicultural society ; they always have .

You're confusing anti-Erdogan with anti-Turk.

Maybe , but it's better than confusing Erdogan with Hitler any given day .

Besides , I am use to being disliked by ex ottoman colonies citizens and Sun worshipping fools .

You should see me on African boards , they hardly believe the existence of a Caucasian with straight tongue .



I bet your reasons for disliking erdogan is also based on non reality .

It's ok to dislike the man but it's not ok to deny the fact that he is an elected politician with no guns , no money but just votes .

That's what really amuses me most ; bunch of people who proclaimed to be democratic and attacking the most popularly elected politician by calling him dictator , sultan , bully etc etc .
Same people are repeating CIA lies yet they are " in the know " .


Erdogan has faults of his own but i am yet to see anyone on this board actually identify what they are .

What crime did 25,000 teachers and tens of thousands of others commit since the purges commenced?

Erdogan is a dictator pretending there is still a democratic system in Turkey.

And what multicultural society? You mean the one created after Christian minorities have been genocided and ethnically cleansed?

The fact you believe the **** you post is remarkable, in the face of reality. Are you doing it with a straight face too?

Total insanity.

a reply to: 23432

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: 23432
The only good Turkey provides for NATO is access to the Black Sea. Turkey is not even on the Atlantic. You got your wish, Turkey will be split from NATO soon enough, and as any thought of being an ally.

We are not leaving Manbij or any part of Syria unless somebody wants to step up to bat and force us out. So either Erdogen grows a pair and dares to step up, or just limit itself to the Afrin area of North Syria and be done with it. Egypt is on our side, so if Turkey wants to go there you can watch its naval access get hindered severely as one or two CSG's park off your cost and deprive you of the Suez.

And BS on Australia and South Africa being afraid of the US. Some serious nonsense right there.

Whomever is setting up your strategy have no clue about Erdogan and how he he plays the politics game .

Erdogan have a huge supporter base in Egypt ; Sisi is a goner , I wouldn't bet on Sisi's dictatorship if I were you .

Irony of course is that Sisi is actually a dictator while Erdogan is an elected politician .

Meanwhile Russian oil companies are taking the loot in Syria while USA companies look on .

Texas will wake up and look at who is responsible for all this loss soon enough .

originally posted by: mortex
What crime did 25,000 teachers and tens of thousands of others commit since the purges commenced?

Erdogan is a dictator pretending there is still a democratic system in Turkey.

And what multicultural society? You mean the one created after Christian minorities have been genocided and ethnically cleansed?

The fact you believe the **** you post is remarkable, in the face of reality. Are you doing it with a straight face too?

Total insanity.

a reply to: 23432

So you are OK with those teachers cheating their exams with CIA's help ?



You think a Kurd and an Albanian have the same culture ?

Or An Arab and Laz dance to same tunes ?

Dude , you are a Greek who live in Australia , your whole nation has Aboriginal situation under their belt .

Real Ozzies despise your kind and call you names related to Olive Oil.

Brits don't like you that much either , you know ex-convicts an'all ?

The fact is that YOU don't really amount to much when it comes to international politics and Chinese and Indians will own Australia in couple of decades .

So far you have demonstrated all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire in human beings .



We know what your kind dreams of : Turks should be expelled and Constantinapolis should be returned to Greeks because Greeks are the founders of Civilisation .

That is the dream you have and you think I am deluded ?

Please , you are making me laugh so much I actually have an ache in my stomach .

NO ONE CARES ABOUT GREEKS AS MUCH AS TURKS DOES .

That is a punishment enough for you .

a reply to: 23432

How pathetic that turkey knows the Cia set up 25k teachers yet needs to grovel and beg for manufactured goods from the US and Europe.


Once erdogan over plays his card and he stops getting his imports Mayne the Turks can learn to manufacture the goods they need to survive.

Or else your just fullnof crap.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

How pathetic that turkey knows the Cia set up 25k teachers yet needs to grovel and beg for manufactured goods from the US and Europe.


Once erdogan over plays his card and he stops getting his imports Mayne the Turks can learn to manufacture the goods they need to survive.

Or else your just fullnof crap.

You have no idea .

Ler's just leave it at that .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Seed76

I hope turkey DOES try to kill th eamericam forces in Syria. Please do... it will get them kicked out of NATO and attacked back in very short order.

If there is a conflict between US and Turkish troops , it is the end of NATO .

Russia , Iran and China will be laughing all the way to bank .

You are clueless .

Ive read your post after this one you replied to. you may live or have americans in your family but you arent truly loyal to the US. Oh its a huge conspiracy..we dont have th eamount of money needed to set up over 50,000 people. not to mention th epaper trail. You drinking the Kool aid to much.

a reply to: 23432

Let's not.

But let's get it out there you just made your first naval ship last year and have all your heavy weapons imported.

NATO Doesn't need turkey. Turkey needs NATO.

But yeah go play with China and Russia they will treat you better. Like they do there own.

Just got back from St Petersburg where I stayed with an engineer couple, both with masters degrees that live in basically a dormatory.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Seed76

I hope turkey DOES try to kill th eamericam forces in Syria. Please do... it will get them kicked out of NATO and attacked back in very short order.

If there is a conflict between US and Turkish troops , it is the end of NATO .

Russia , Iran and China will be laughing all the way to bank .

You are clueless .

Ive read your post after this one you replied to. you may live or have americans in your family but you arent truly loyal to the US. Oh its a huge conspiracy..we dont have th eamount of money needed to set up over 50,000 people. not to mention th epaper trail. You drinking the Kool aid to much.

Over 40 years actually and money comes from Turks .

Sibel Edmonds explains it ; if you can get your eyes of propaganda for a minute or two .

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

Let's not.

But let's get it out there you just made your first naval ship last year and have all your heavy weapons imported.

NATO Doesn't need turkey. Turkey needs NATO.

But yeah go play with China and Russia they will treat you better. Like they do there own.

Just got back from St Petersburg where I stayed with an engineer couple, both with masters degrees that live in basically a dormatory.

Current operation in Syria is carried out entirely by Turkish made weapons .

Otherwise there would have been an military ambargo or threat to bomb Istanbul .

Just use your noggin ; If Turks needed western weapons excusively ; it would have been a childs play to stop the military operation simply by witholding weapons shipments .

Erdogan said he'll chase terrorists all the way to Iraq border and he will do exactly that .


Short of directly attacking Turkey , there is nothing US can and will do .

Back in 1974 US threats didn't stop Turks , they went ahead took half of Cyprus and faced 5 years of military ambargo .

There are 4 players in Syria ; Iran , Russia , US and Turkey .

Only 1 player out of 4 wants to partition Syria , I'll let you guess who that is .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.

So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.

Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).

Damn sick situation.

What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .

Without Turks , there is NO NATO .

Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .

How the # was his post racist or religionist? With out Turkey there's not nato? Are you having a laugh? It's basically the yanks, Brits, French and Germans running nato.

I get that you love and support your country but for once can you take your rose tinted glasses off and actually admit your president is committing crimes against humanity? Is it ok to launch an illegal invasion to attack a group which hasn't or isn't intending on attacking You?

Is it ok to lock up thousands of civilians just because they voiced an opinion? Before you mention UK and usa invading Iraq I didn't support it.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

Let's not.

But let's get it out there you just made your first naval ship last year and have all your heavy weapons imported.

NATO Doesn't need turkey. Turkey needs NATO.

But yeah go play with China and Russia they will treat you better. Like they do there own.

Just got back from St Petersburg where I stayed with an engineer couple, both with masters degrees that live in basically a dormatory.

Current operation in Syria is carried out entirely by Turkish made weapons .

Otherwise there would have been an military ambargo or threat to bomb Istanbul .

Just use your noggin ; If Turks needed western weapons excusively ; it would have been a childs play to stop the military operation simply by witholding weapons shipments .

Erdogan said he'll chase terrorists all the way to Iraq border and he will do exactly that .


Short of directly attacking Turkey , there is nothing US can and will do .

Back in 1974 US threats didn't stop Turks , they went ahead took half of Cyprus and faced 5 years of military ambargo .

There are 4 players in Syria ; Iran , Russia , US and Turkey .

Only 1 player out of 4 wants to partition Syria , I'll let you guess who that is .

Talking bollocks again. The Turks are hitting the Kurds with f16s and leopard tanks are they not?

It's mostly M60 Sabra upgraded tanks they are using. The Leo's are just for the photo ops to show "stronk modern" Turkey.
The Turkish media wont show you the destroyed Leo tanks though, lol, not from this op, or the op where they got humiliated and routed by rag tag Islamic terrorists last year.

a reply to: Therewearethen

originally posted by: Therewearethen

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.

So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.

Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).

Damn sick situation.

What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .

Without Turks , there is NO NATO .

Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .

How the # was his post racist or religionist? With out Turkey there's not nato? Are you having a laugh? It's basically the yanks, Brits, French and Germans running nato.

I get that you love and support your country but for once can you take your rose tinted glasses off and actually admit your president is committing crimes against humanity? Is it ok to launch an illegal invasion to attack a group which hasn't or isn't intending on attacking You?

Is it ok to lock up thousands of civilians just because they voiced an opinion? Before you mention UK and usa invading Iraq I didn't support it.

Utter and total rubbish mate.

I get that you dislike Turks but PKK has been killing innocent Kurds and Turks and Arabs alike for over 40 years .

What you think as " Kurds " are actually currently controlled by Pentagon to further gas , oil , water interest of certain Cabal and you bought the idea that Turks are attacking innocent Kurds because that is what msm told you .

PKK is mercenary based organisation that workd for the highest bidder .
Just have an independent thought ; on the one hand Kurds are fierce warriors with all the arms ; on the other hand these 15 million Kurds are just sitting and watching Turks kill them without doing anything to defend themselves and stop the Turks ?

Can't you see that you've been duped ?

Sad thing is , in this thread I am the only one who has Kurdish relatives .

Some wants to see Turks defeated because they are Greek , some wants to see Turks defeated because some is also convinced that Erdogan is dictator , you also want to label the most popular and democratically elected politician as dictator .

Damn I know CIA is rather good at psy-ops but I was hoping that some people might have an independent thought for crying outloud !!!

None of this anything to do with me loving Erdogan , I don't even vote for the guy .

Pure ignorance , thats what iritates me the most .

Please read what NATO says about Turks and NATO .

Do you think NATO would actually tolerate a civilian killing dictator ?

If you do , you have no idea how NATO works .


Most Kurds are rather pious muslims , you don't seem to know this fact at all but I don't blame you because you also bought the idea that " Kurds " are fighting against Daesh !!!

Daesh and PKK are terrorist organisations according to NATO countries ; Turks are defending their borders against both of these terrorist organisations .

What also gets me is that the same people who are rather sceptical about MSM are damn sure that the same MSM is telling the truth when it comes to PKK/PYD/YPG/DAESH .

Think what you like but know this little fact if Erdogan was a killer and a bully ,no Western nation leader would accept his visits because that would be seen as support according to Hague Courts view .

Erdogan houses almost 4 million refugees that became refugees due to " big boy " politics yet you want me to believe that the Syrian refugees are here in Istanbul because of Erdogan's behaviour only ?

No one is at fault but Turks/Erdogan , right !!!

How ignorant is that view ?

Britain supports Erdogan and Turkey if that means anything to you .