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January 27 is International Holocaust Remembrance Day

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posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: Theprodicalson

OK. I haven't delved that deeply into it. Yet the similarities are inescapable. It's fairly obvious that the left in this nation is also being used, just as they use their supporters.

PC, hate crimes and revisionist history seem to be a kinder and gentler version of Nazi book burning. Calling Nazi Germany right wing when even their name is what many on the left promote as some bright future is also very evident.

Above all, the left, and especially the Jewish left, is anti-Israeli. Obviously, the conservatives aren't and are labelled Zionist puppets by that same left.

I see the left movement in this country in the same direction as Germany in the early '30s. They moved all the way to fascist- both left and right meet at the same place if taken to their extremes.

It was left on steroids. Label it as you will once full power and control was attained. More accurate is fascist. Calling it 'right wing' is pure crap.




posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Swills

Huh? Is it news to you that white power types are right wingers and are no where near the Center or the Left on the political spectrum? And this isn’t only an American thing either.


It seems the term "right wingers" is used these days as a liberal meme to represent most conservatives. I never hear anyone call Communist and extreme socialist "left Wingers". It seems it is a way to lump the word "right" with Nazism and Fascism as they lump Trump with the same.

When we look back through history America has fought against BOTH the far right and far left, so I don't think it is good to associate either America's left or right with the extreme of what we actually fight against.

My thoughts exactly. I mean. Hitler was a socialist if anyone needs reminding.



posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: nwtrucker

I didn't know Neo Nazi's were left wingers. Oh wait, reality check, they aren't. They are big time Trump supporters.

As far as Israel is concerned, I don't see the Left saying Israel shouldn't exist, instead the Left is against Israel's Right wing gov't and policies. Big difference there.



You didn't know?? I guess the Germans 'didn't know either. What part of National Socialism escapes? Union thugs, anti-religion, attacking a segment of their population, in that case Jews. Now it's Christians.

That ok. You didn't know.

Yup. The left wants us to forget that little fact of history.



posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Xcathdra


Political dissidents / those who opposed the Nazis were dealt with in the German legal system and not by the SS.


Whaaa? The master race saw all other peoples and cultures as enemies of state. Went to great difficulty to exterminate and or enslave them where ever they encountered them. The SS were the head extermination Branch for the Nazi High Command.

Nazi race rhetoric was the excuse used to conquer and murder nations for territory, resources and control. Ideology be damned, not one of the hi command measured up to Aryan Ideals. You think they were aware of this?


Actually that is not quite accurate. The Nazis, specifically Hitler, viewed the Japanese as non Aryan however he still had respect for the way their society was operated. Hitler viewed the British as a part of the master race and it is one of the main reasons he did not wipe out allied forces at Dunkirk. Hitler thought a show of mercy might be enough to persuade the British to recognize their position in the world and to join the Nazis.

At the Wannsee conference some time was devoted to the discussion of current German race laws and their impact. The Nuremberg Race Laws defined what a Jew was and how mixed marriages were viewed. It created many exceptions for Jews in German society. The SS threw those laws and exceptions out the window and declared the SS was the final determination entity for who was considered a jew and who was not.

Part of that debate dealt with Jews who were German with the argument being that by murdering (evacuating) the Jews abandoned the German half of their blood. They argued that abandoning German blood was a non starter under the law and would have massive consequences on the German race and, interestingly, the German civil courts. The purpose of the conference was shrouded in secrecy and so it was pointed out that by removing exceptions for Germans they would create a massive legal backlog in civil courts for people wanting divorces, demanding death certificates, property ownership problems etc. It was argued that, when the legal backlog started, they could no longer hide the fact there were murdering Jews, even Jews of German blood.

The SS ignored the points raised.

Towards the latter half of the war the SS dropped their strict requirements to join and started accepting people who, at the start of the war, would have been disqualified as non pure Aryans. The concept of a master race became distorted near the end with focus shifting to first survival of the Nazi regime and then to survival of the leadership via rat lines when it was obvious they lost the war.

Side note -
The Wannsee Conference was supposed to be a secret with no documents about what occurred that day. It turns out one participant, Martin Luther (under secretary in the foreign ministry) did not destroy the protocol documents that were sent out. In 1947 a copy of the documents were located in the foreign ministry office and were used as evidence during the Nuremberg trials. Lt. Col. Adolph Eichmann was Heydrich's main adjutant for the meeting and was in charge of Jewish affairs for the SS Gestapo.

Eichmann survived the war and escaped at the end of the war to Argentina. He was captured by Israeli agents in the 1960's and brought to Israel to stand trial. He was found guilty and sentenced to death. This is the first time a person had been tried in a country that did not exist when the war occurred for crimes that occurred during the war. He was the first and last person to be sentenced to death under Israeli law in the context of the war.


ETA -
A decent movie on the Wannsee Conference is "Conspiracy" (an HBO Film - 2001). It covered the facts of the meeting and the discussions involved.
IMDB - Conspiracy

A dramatic recreation of the Wannsee Conference where the Nazi Final Solution phase of the Holocaust was devised.



Storyline -
In January 1942, as the United States enters World War II, a conference assembles near Berlin. SS Gen. Heydrich and his associate, Lt. Col. Eichmann call the meeting to discuss the "evacuation" of Germany's Jews and other undesirables, a code word for their extermination in concentration camps. To begin this Final Solution, they must change the mind of a small group of men opposed to the idea, led by Kritzinger.

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posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 03:36 AM
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originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Swills

Huh? Is it news to you that white power types are right wingers and are no where near the Center or the Left on the political spectrum? And this isn’t only an American thing either.


It seems the term "right wingers" is used these days as a liberal meme to represent most conservatives. I never hear anyone call Communist and extreme socialist "left Wingers". It seems it is a way to lump the word "right" with Nazism and Fascism as they lump Trump with the same.

When we look back through history America has fought against BOTH the far right and far left, so I don't think it is good to associate either America's left or right with the extreme of what we actually fight against.

My thoughts exactly. I mean. Hitler was a socialist if anyone needs reminding.


Not this rubbish again. Just because the Nazis were called "National Socialists" (a bid by their founder Anton Drexler to pulls support away from the Communists), that does not mean that Hitler was therefore a socialist. Please do some basic, basic research on this. The Nazis emerged from the German nationalist, racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 04:45 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Swills

Huh? Is it news to you that white power types are right wingers and are no where near the Center or the Left on the political spectrum? And this isn’t only an American thing either.


It seems the term "right wingers" is used these days as a liberal meme to represent most conservatives. I never hear anyone call Communist and extreme socialist "left Wingers". It seems it is a way to lump the word "right" with Nazism and Fascism as they lump Trump with the same.

When we look back through history America has fought against BOTH the far right and far left, so I don't think it is good to associate either America's left or right with the extreme of what we actually fight against.

My thoughts exactly. I mean. Hitler was a socialist if anyone needs reminding.


Not this rubbish again. Just because the Nazis were called "National Socialists" (a bid by their founder Anton Drexler to pulls support away from the Communists), that does not mean that Hitler was therefore a socialist. Please do some basic, basic research on this. The Nazis emerged from the German nationalist, racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture.


Don't bother.

The op was a good message that was important for us all to think about.

When there's people in this thread that think we should remember the Nazi's on Holocaust Remembrance Day we know where they're coming from.

It's like pouring sugar on the floor to find the cockroaches.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: Tempter

Sympathy for the Nazis (who engineered the Holocaust) on a Holocaust remembrance day. Good joke


If your Nazis hadn't started it we wouldn't be remembering this day and they wouldn't have gotten killed.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 06:57 AM
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"Never Forget, Never Again"








Thanks to everyone who dropped by this thread and those that participated. I hope everyone was able to take something from it.


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posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


The Nazis, specifically Hitler, viewed the Japanese as non Aryan however he still had respect for the way their society was operated.

He pretended to have respect for purposes of conquest. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' , for now.


Hitler viewed the British as a part of the master race and it is one of the main reasons he did not wipe out allied forces at Dunkirk. Hitler thought a show of mercy might be enough to persuade the British to recognize their position in the world and to join the Nazis.

He would rather have them on his side (like the Japanese), so he didn't have to expend the resources fighting them, but as soon as it became apparent they weren't 'capitulating' he attacked them too. Proving again it was a matter of world domination, not race or blood or any such silly thing.

Its always about global domination with Empires.

Have you never played the Game, "Risk" ?

The rest of your post, TLDR...



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

TLDR?

When you extend the courtesy of reading and understanding posts I will extend the courtesy of showing how and why you are wrong.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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What's sad is we really don't know the total numbers.

I've personally sat with many people that went through the holocaust, and had tears running down my face from their stories.

I've seen the markings on their arms, the displaced human soul and the look of someone that was partially lost, from the atrocities that they experienced. Some of them have passed on now and rest in peace, and others took their own lives because they were diagnosed with a terminal disease, and were not going to allow death dictate their fate.

Anyone that denies this ever happened I truly feel sorry for.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

No response response to which I already said...


Proving again it was a matter of world domination, not race or blood or any such silly thing.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Xcathdra

No response response to which I already said...


Proving again it was a matter of world domination, not race or blood or any such silly thing.


TLDR?

When you extend the courtesy of reading and understanding posts I will extend the courtesy of showing how and why you are wrong.
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posted on Apr, 29 2018 @ 11:19 PM
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The main European sponsors of holocaust and racist laws against jews were the dutch royal family and the British royal family.
Been hiding behind the image of Anna Frank ever since.
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posted on Apr, 29 2018 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: Flanker86

How could that be the case when the British Royal family don't create laws. Think it through, then start again.



posted on Apr, 30 2018 @ 12:55 AM
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a reply to: paraphi


They may not write the laws but if you seriously think they, and others don't have the influence you are seriously compromised in the deduction department.
So many on here are compromised, so many.



posted on Apr, 30 2018 @ 02:38 AM
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a reply to: Fermy

I do not believe the British and Dutch royal families have sat atop anti-Semitism and the orchestration of racist laws. Happy for you to provide the evidence from credible source, on another thread.

I do believe that the Holocaust happened, and that since 1945 anti-Semitism persists. You just need to look at the scandal in the UKs Labour Party to see the manifestation in today's world. Since 1945 Jews have been persecuted in the Russia and across the Muslim world, as demonstrated by the crash in Jewish populations. Even Putin has sought to blame the Jews for election interference in the US.



posted on Apr, 30 2018 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Xcathdra



If anyone wants to deny the holocaust happened DO NOT post in this thread. Start your own thread.




Springer agrees with you and made it a site policy a few years ago - **ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS:** We don't like Hitler at ATS, not even a little bit.

Owners and admins have experience of the Holocaust through their families. Any pro-Hitler posts will be removed on sight and Holocaust denial will be treated likewise.

This early reminder should save some members from the temptation of posting otherwise.


As an African American can I make this same claim? As a man whose family was greatly affected by the slaved trade, till Jim Crow, can I ask that any talk of history on here first acknowledge that all president pre-Jim Crow where disgusting scum bags who enjoyed the rape, killing, enslaving, segregating of black people. *Snip* Please please let me know how this works, sincerely...a man who was actually affected by Americans in America, not Europeans in Europe...Thank you.
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posted on Apr, 30 2018 @ 03:49 AM
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a reply to: chishuppu

I think the point was to let people know that Hitler murdered millions and that any attempt to portray him as innocent, misguided, a victim , what have you wont be tolerated.

I would imagine the same would hold for slavery.

As for slavery can we also talk about how Africans of one group would seize Africans from other groups and sell them into slavery? Or was your point to restrict your very own argument to the North American / European continent only while ignoring the shameful aspect of Africans seizing and selling other Africans into slavery?

I always found it perplexing when Africans / African Americans try making a point on slavery while ignoring a key aspect of their own complicity.

Please let us know. Maybe we can start a new thread to discuss this instead of derailing this one for your own topic.



posted on Apr, 30 2018 @ 04:16 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: chishuppu

I think the point was to let people know that Hitler murdered millions and that any attempt to portray him as innocent, misguided, a victim , what have you wont be tolerated.

I would imagine the same would hold for slavery.

As for slavery can we also talk about how Africans of one group would seize Africans from other groups and sell them into slavery? Or was your point to restrict your very own argument to the North American / European continent only while ignoring the shameful aspect of Africans seizing and selling other Africans into slavery?

I always found it perplexing when Africans / African Americans try making a point on slavery while ignoring a key aspect of their own complicity.

Please let us know. Maybe we can start a new thread to discuss this instead of derailing this one for your own topic.


On your first point, I put this out to show that stopping people from having another point of view because you have established your own into some type of universal law is redundant.

On your second point I would point out the soderkommando who where an actual group of Jews who where told by the guards to carry out the gassings, I am sure your response might fall along the lines of they where made to or else, but for some reason which is close to my argument for the thread...it won't be acceptable for the Africans who had to capture other Africans or else. Then again the whole story of Africans selling other Africans is told by the children of the people who came to Africa to look for humans to enslave and now feel sorry and want to shift blame. I mean if I sold you a kid and you abused them then obviously I am to blame, and if we go with that narrative then the majority of gassing/holocaust should be placed on the Jewish soderkommandos.

I find it perplexing when Caucasians blame other races for the wrong they have done. Look through out history and now, its Asians vs Caucasians , Arabs vs Caucasians, Africans vs Caucasians, Latinos vs Caucasions. When was the last time you saw Arabs vs the rest, Asians vs the rest, Hispanics vs the rest, or Africans vs the rest... Even the Holocaust was Caucasians vs Caucasians. Come on son.

Again, that wasn't my point, I don't like that we can't discuss things, because the ruling people in govt and on this site have decided that some event that happened in Europe for some reason can't be discussion by Americans in America. So I wanted to see whether this is a bias for Jews from Europe or can African Americans get that same bias as well. If that is acceptable then we can't open that discussion, because you would be denying the slave trade... Checkmate
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