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originally posted by: MteWamp
Oh, that's not the issue. The issue is that it's completely unrelated to the topic of the thread.
originally posted by: Tempter
Might I suggest we use this day to remember not only the Holocaust victins, however many there were, but also ALL the other victims of WW2?
Everyone who lost their lives in that tragedy deserve compassion.
Even Nazi's.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: MteWamp
Oh, that's not the issue. The issue is that it's completely unrelated to the topic of the thread.
Unrelated ?
I thought this was the topic,
January 27 is International Holocaust Remembrance Day
Is it legit to ask why are we remembering the "Holocaust" ?
Is it because it was good, that 6 million Jewish souls were taken up to heaven ?
Or,
Is it because it was bad, that 6 million Jewish souls had to give up their earthly body, and all earthly posessions, to go there?
What does the Holocaust really mean?
originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: nwtrucker
I didn't know Neo Nazi's were left wingers. Oh wait, reality check, they aren't. They are big time Trump supporters.
As far as Israel is concerned, I don't see the Left saying Israel shouldn't exist, instead the Left is against Israel's Right wing gov't and policies. Big difference there.
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
We remember the six million Jewish people and the countless other millions of victims who were murdered by Hitler and his insane collection of criminals that are better known as the higher echelons of the Nazi Party. It I have to point out that that number of murders and victims is 'bad' then you need to reassess your values. There was nothing good about it.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: MteWamp
Oh, that's not the issue. The issue is that it's completely unrelated to the topic of the thread.
Unrelated ?
I thought this was the topic,
January 27 is International Holocaust Remembrance Day
Is it legit to ask why are we remembering the "Holocaust" ?
Is it because it was good, that 6 million Jewish souls were taken up to heaven ?
Or,
Is it because it was bad, that 6 million Jewish souls had to give up their earthly body, and all earthly posessions, to go there?
What does the Holocaust really mean?
originally posted by: cuckooold
It has nothing to do with Jews going to some mythical heaven.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
But, the Jews were practicing a religion, called Judaism, that made them "identify" as Jews, and is the entire reason that they became the target, hence the Holocaust.
originally posted by: Kandinsky
originally posted by: Tempter
Might I suggest we use this day to remember not only the Holocaust victins, however many there were, but also ALL the other victims of WW2?
Everyone who lost their lives in that tragedy deserve compassion.
Even Nazi's.
It's hard to dig deep and have any compassion for nazis. Compassion for German soldiers in the Great War is easy. They conducted themselves in the same way as everyone else. The Germans who dissented against the nazis are also easy to empathise with - they stood for common values.
When you say "Even Nazis," my mind starts working on categories and definitions. A nazi was someone who supported anti-Semitism and Lebensraum. Hitler was a nazi, right? Goebbels too. Gestapo. Brown Shirts.
It's hard to muster any compassion for people who followed the nazi ideal.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: nwtrucker
I didn't know Neo Nazi's were left wingers. Oh wait, reality check, they aren't. They are big time Trump supporters.
As far as Israel is concerned, I don't see the Left saying Israel shouldn't exist, instead the Left is against Israel's Right wing gov't and policies. Big difference there.
You didn't know?? I guess the Germans 'didn't know either. What part of National Socialism escapes? Union thugs, anti-religion, attacking a segment of their population, in that case Jews. Now it's Christians.
That ok. You didn't know.
originally posted by: Kandinsky
[It's hard to dig deep and have any compassion for nazis. Compassion for German soldiers in the Great War is easy. They conducted themselves in the same way as everyone else. The Germans who dissented against the nazis are also easy to empathise with - they stood for common values.
When you say "Even Nazis," my mind starts working on categories and definitions. A nazi was someone who supported anti-Semitism and Lebensraum. Hitler was a nazi, right? Goebbels too. Gestapo. Brown Shirts.
Ihr trugt die Schande nicht.
Ihr wehrtet euch.
Ihr gabt das große ewig wache Zeichen der Umkehr,
opfernd Euer heißes Leben für Freiheit, Recht, und Ehre.
You did not bear the shame.
You resisted.
You bestowed the eternally vigilant symbol of change
by sacrificing your impassioned lives for freedom, justice and honor.
The German Resistance Memorial Center (German: Gedenkstätte Deutscher Widerstand) is a memorial and museum in Berlin, capital of Germany. It was opened in 1980 in part of the Bendlerblock, a complex of offices in Stauffenbergstrasse (formerly Bendlerstrasse), south of the Großer Tiergarten in Tiergarten. It was here that Colonel Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg and other members of the failed 20 July plot that attempted to assassinate Adolf Hitler were executed.
Although the memorial is primarily intended to commemorate those members of the German Army who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944, it is also a memorial to the German resistance in the broader sense. Historians agree that there was no united, national resistance movement in Nazi Germany at any time during Hitler's years in power (1933–45). Joachim Fest describes it as "the resistance that never was."Nevertheless, the term German Resistance (Deutscher Widerstand) is now used to describe all elements of opposition and resistance to the Nazi Regime, including the underground networks of the Social Democrats and Communists, The White Rose, opposition activities in the Christian churches (e.g. the Confessing Church), and the resistance groups based in the civil service, intelligence organs and armed forces.
During the Nuremberg Trials, where he was a witness, he publicly declared himself ashamed of the atrocities committed by the Nazi regime. He was released, and died in Nuremberg the following year.