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Grassley just Cooked the Dems, Read #12

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posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


If you honestly think that anything has changed or will change with these government sanctioned conspiracies then I'd have to say it's wishful thinking.


Well I guess you have no need to worry about it or post about it then, if literally nothing can happen that changes anything, what's the point of worrying about it? But here you are, posting in every thread about it. It's almost like you are worried that it does change everything. I mean, a political party being caught abusing the police state by a political outsider who has the power of the presidency is pretty earth shattering, but you're trying to convince people it means nothing.

Your whole charade is a joke.




posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

The whole of D.C. is a puppet show, our president included. You put one puppet in the box (jail) and there's another money hungry one right behind it to take its spot and carry the same torch.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

And if you truly believe that, you should quit worrying about it.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
It's almost like you are worried that it does change everything.

Why would anyone be worried about that, unless they are the ones getting locked up?



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Because they bought into the wrong side.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:45 PM
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You think I don't want things to change? You making these huge assumptions about me doesn't make you right you know.

Arguing over government sanctioned conspiracy theories isn't changing a damned thing and that's why I continuously come into these threads saying the same thing, in the hope that it will stick with some and they'll be snapped out of their trance.

You guys are so far into your justice porn that you refuse to see you're being brainwashed and indoctrinated with what they want you focused on.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:47 PM
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That would be a pretty big assumption on your part and not very probable, in my opinion.
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posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

I haven't chosen a side, they're all corrupt scumbags whether they have a D or R beside their name. The fact that you just admitted to choosing a side shows that you've fallen for it.



posted on Jan, 28 2018 @ 11:55 PM
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Exactly, why the hell would I be afraid of them being locked up? I have absolutely no stake in whether they're in jail or not because my life will continue either way.

I hear that so much, that I'm afraid of them being locked up because apparently I don't want to be wrong about them, even though I acknowledge they're crooks and deserve jail time.



posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Sure, you want things to change, but it's not about to change the way you had hoped. The right is about to be proved correct on the vast majority of what they've been saying (from ideology to corruption) which is going to result in a power shift to the right.

Here's the thing, I was where you claim to be, during the obama admin. I saw rampant corruption everywhere (left and right, but mostly left), yet I knew nothing was going to change. What did I do? I tuned out everything (because what's the point of caring when nothing ever changes?) from ATS to politics to social media. I just went about my life and did the best I could for myself and my family. I'd check in on developments a couple times a year but that was that. Then came trump, the only candidate in my lifetime who offered a shot at true change (obama pretended to, but even the slightest scrutiny offered up plenty of doubt). Now here we find ourselves, on the cusp of something that hasn't happened in at least 60 years. Change.

Yet here you are, with your noble intentions, trying to tell people that change isn't happening. The problem is, people can feel it. They experience it. They can see it.

So tell me, what is it that they want me focused on? What are they distracting from?



posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
So tell me, what is it that they want me focused on?

A handful of people being taken out of their positions. They might not even go to jail.


What are they distracting from?

Things staying pretty much the same.


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posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:13 AM
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So they want me focused on what's happening... to distract from what's not happening? An interesting, but circular and abstract conspiracy.



posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:20 AM
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Not so abstract. They want you to feel things are changing while things remain the same. You just said it was what happened during Obama's term. You established the precedent.



posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:22 AM
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Nothing was changing (nor was there an illusion of change, he just said the word a lot during the campaign) during obama's term. No corruption was being dealt justice. That's why I tuned it out. There was no change. Now justice is coming. That's a big change. That's why I tuned back in.
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posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
Nothing was changing during obama's term. No corruption was being dealt justice. That's why I tuned it out. There was no change.

That's the point and still some people thought it was.


Now justice is coming. That's a big change. That's why I tuned back in.

So you have been led to believe. You could still end up disappointed.



posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:35 AM
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No one thought Obama was changing Washington (other than ruling by EO). At least no one that I remember reading.
But you're right about your second point, this could all be an elaborate ruse and I could leave the table disappointed. I can't rule that out.



posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:39 AM
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Your denial in having chosen a side is not a strength. You have chosen, we all can see it, you may as well accept it. Everyone must choose. There are no conscientious objectors in this fight. Even having chosen a side, I freely admit there is corruption on the side I have chosen. It is simply much less pervasive.



posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:43 AM
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Maybe that wasn't the change they were going after and not what you wanted and probably why you tuned out.

Even if it isn't an elaborate ruse and some people get nailed, it doesn't mean that things would have actually changed in DC.

Do you know what the stiffest penalty that stuck, because Bush pardoned a whole bunch of people after the circus act was over and others were overturned, over Iran-Contra? Two years of probation and a $5,000 fine, while Lake Resources Inc. was ordered to dissolve. And that was a big deal.


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posted on Jan, 29 2018 @ 12:54 AM
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It was central to his campaign: Hope and Change


Do you know what the stiffest penalty that stuck, because Bush pardoned a whole bunch of people after the circus act was over and others were overturned, over Iran-Contra? Two years of probation and a $5,000 fine, while Lake Resources Inc. was ordered to dissolve. And that was a big deal.


But there's a fundamental difference here. We have an outsider, who campaigned on rooting out corruption, actually rooting out corruption. Trump won't be issuing many pardons and if he does, I'll be disappointed. What you've described is the swamp (GHWB comes in and pardons Reagan officials) and people have enough access to information to react appropriately to the dealings of the swamp.




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