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Were dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?

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posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Seapeople
Buddy, steve....avoiding something. You try to change the subject every time. Just for kicks SNTX. Answer it again, without qualifications.

It is a yes or no question. Is it a fact, that dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?


I just asked you a question and you didn't answer it. You must be avoiding something.
The question I asked you is in no way an attempt to change the subject as it is directly related to the subject. Here is is in case you didn't read it the first time: "Are you admitting that you do not understand the first sentence of my first post?" I will quote myself for you one more time:

"There are many references to dinosaurs in scripture. "

As you can see there are no qualifications there. It should be plain to everyone that you can extrapolate an answer to your question directly from my statement. You remember the one I made on my my first post on this thread. The one I quoted more than once in following posts. The one in quotation marks just above this paragraph. In case you still haven't figured it out the answer is yes. Thank you for playing another pointless game.

Steve




posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:37 PM
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Lets see here. I ask you a question. You answer me by asking another completely irrelevant question. You then accuse me of avoiding you by not answering the question you asked me after I asked you.

Just for kicks, I will answer your question. I do understand what you said. I just want everyone else here to see you say it again.

Answer, I did.

Is it a fact that the references in the bible that you mentioned are of dinosaurs? Yes, or no.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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Ok now you are joking right. Did you miss the part of my last post where I gave you the answer you have so desperately been wanting? Do I really have to quote myself again?


Steve



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:47 PM
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I see it, but my question came with the "without qualifications" clause.

For everyone to see,

Yes or no...

Not yes or no bla bla bla bla bla bla.

Just a simple yes or no.

Is uit a fact that the bible describes dinosaurs?



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:55 PM
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I did not qualify my statement. The sentence stands on it's own. I see I really do have to quote myself again.

"In case you still haven't figured it out the answer is yes."

Are there any qualifications there? I don't see any but I can simplify it even further for you.

The answer is yes.

Is that too many words? Let me try one more time just in case I am not being clear.

Yes

Oh no, that won't due because there is no context. Here you go:


Originally posted by Seapeople

Is uit a fact that the bible describes dinosaurs?


Yes

Are you now going to blame for the extra character you typed into the question?

Steve



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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Yes?

Prove it. Prove with evidence besides bible verses, that the assertions made by those who believe the bible mentions dinosaurs, are true. Give us evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed, even though they have been proved to have lived millions of years apart.

I am questioning the truth of the bible. I will not accept verses from that same book as an answer.

-

And do you agree or disagree with these statements which I was referring to in my previous posts...

Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad

The bible is not the word of God. It was written by men. It is the word of men. Even if you believe it is the word of God, its original authors would have written it the way they interpreted it, therefore there is a considerably large possibility that they made mistakes, exaggerated, or even lied, to suit the message they - mere mortals - wanted to put forward.

To state that biblical authority is undermined by people who interpret it differently is a contradiction. It was originally an interpretation. The bible is not an authority on anything, it is a collection of opinions.



[edit on 20-2-2005 by CiderGood_HeadacheBad]



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 02:23 PM
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ummmmm.....i don't remember if dinasours were in it,but i don't think they were unless the devil is t-rex or something.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad
Yes?


Yes!



Prove it. Prove with evidence besides bible verses, that the assertions made by those who believe the bible mentions dinosaurs, are true.


I quoted a portion of an article and provided a link to said article that does exactly that. It goes into quite a bit of detail. Here are the refs. alone:

"1. J.R. Horner and D. Lessem, The Complete T. rex (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1993), p. 18.
M.A. Norell, E.S. Gaffney, and L. Dingus, Discovering Dinosaurs in the American Museum of Natural History (New York: Nevraumont Publ. Co. Inc., 1995), p. 17 says
that the oldest dino fossil is ‘dated’ at 228 million years.
2. D.T. Gish, Evolution: the Fossils Still Say No! (El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation Research, 1995), p. 129ff discusses evolutionists’ views from a creationist position.
Norell et al., Discovering Dinosaurs in the American Museum of Natural History, p. 2. ‘Dinosaurs belong to a group called Archosauria. . . . The living Archosauria are the
twenty-one extant croco diles and alligators, along with the more than ten thousand species of living theropod dinosaurs (birds).’
3. J.D. Morris, The Young Earth (Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 1994).
H.M. Morris, The Genesis Record (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1976), pp. 42–46.
On the Biblical chronology, see James Ussher, The Later Part of the Annals of the World, E. Tyler for F. Crook and G. Bedell, London, 1658.
4. M. Benton, Dinosaurs: An A–Z Guide (New York: Derrydale Books, 1988), pp. 10–11.
5. Ibid.
D. Lambert and the Diagram Group, The Dinosaur Data Book (New York: Avon Books, 1990), pp. 10–35.
Norell et al., Discovering Dinosaurs in the American Museum of Natural History, pp. 62–69.
V.L. Sharpton and P.D. Ward, editors, Global Catastrophes in Earth History, The Geological Society of America, Special Paper 247, 1990.
6. M.D. Lemonick, ‘Parenthood, Dino-style,’ Time, January 8, 1996, p. 48.
7. Psalm 78:5; 2 Timothy 3:14–17; and 2 Peter 1:19–21. God, who inspired the writing, has always existed, is perfect, and never lies (Titus 1:2).
8. D. Lambert, A Field Guide to Dinosaurs (New York: Avon Books, 1983), p. 17.
9. Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster Inc., 1995), p. 326. Dinosaur: ‘1: any of a group (Dinosauria) of extinct chiefl y terrestrial
carnivorous or herbivorous reptiles of the Mesozoic era. 2: any of various large extinct reptiles other than true dinosaurs.’
10. If some dinosaurs were aquatic, then these would have been created on day five of creation week.
11. S. West, ‘Dinosaur Head Hunt,’ Science News, 1979, 116(18):314–5. Originally assembled wrongly with the head of a Camarasaurus-type dinosaur on an Apatosaurus
skeleton and later corrected with the right head which was from ‘the same family as its nearly identical cousin, Diplodocus,’ p. 314.
12. Benton, Dinosaurs: An A-Z Guide, p. 14.
13. Lambert et al., The Dinosaur Data Book, p. 279.
14. Morris, The Young Earth, pp. 51–67.
15. Morris, The Genesis Record, pp. 4–6.
Ussher, The Later Part of the Annals of the World.
16. J. Stambaugh, ‘Creation, Suffering and the Problem of Evil,’ CEN Technical Journal, 1996, 10(3):391–404.
17. The KJV most often used today is actually the 1769 revision by Benjamin Blayney of Oxford.
18. D. Dixon, B. Cox, G.J.G. Savage, and B. Gardiner, The Macmillan Illustrated Encyclopedia of Dinosaurs and Prehistoric Animals (New York:
Macmillan Publishing Co., 1988), p. 92.
R.M. Grigg, ‘Dinosaurs and Dragons: Stamping on the Legends!’ Creation, 1990, 14(3):11.
19. D. Norman, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Dinosaurs (London: Salamander Books Limited, 1985), p. 8.
The meaning of ‘terrible lizard’ has helped popularize the idea that dinosaurs were all gigantic savage monsters. This is far from the truth. Had Owen known about
the smaller dinosaurs, he may never have coined the word.
20. The Hebrew words have a range of meanings, including sea monster (Gen. 1:21; Job 7:12; Ps. 148:7; Isa. 27:1; Ezek. 29:3, 32:2) and serpent (Exod. 7:9 cf. Exod. 4:3
and Hebrew parallelism of Deut. 32:33). Tannin/m are fearsome creatures, inhabiting remote, desolate places (Isa. 34:13, 35:7; Jer. 49:33, 51:37; Mal. 1:8), diffi cult
to kill (Isa. 27:1, 51:9), and/or serpentine (Deut. 32:33 cf. Ps. 91:13), and/or having feet (Ezek. 32:2). However, tannin are referred to as suckling their young (Lam.
4:3), which is not a feature of reptiles, but of whales, for example (sea monsters?). The word(s) seem to refer to large, fearsome creatures that dwelt in swampy areas
or in the water. The term could include reptiles and mammals. Modern translators often render the words as ‘jackals,’ but this seems inappropri ate because jackals are
not particularly fearsome or difficult to kill, and don’t live in swamps.
21. Some have suggested that a carcass of a marine creature found off the coast of New Zealand was a plesiosaur. However, a thorough analysis of all the data suggests it
was a basking shark. See P. Jerlström and B. Elliott, ‘Let Rotting Sharks Lie: Further Evidence for Shark Identity of the Zuiyo-maru Carcass,’ CEN Technical Journal,
1999, 13(2):83–87. Nevertheless, paintings of ‘Yarru,’ clearly a plesiosaur-like creature, by tribespeople in northern Australia suggest that plesiosaurs have been living
quite recently: see R. Driver, ‘Australia’s Aborigines—Did They See Dinosaurs?’ Creation, 1999, 21(1):24 –27.
22. S.J. Czerkas and S.A. Czerkas, Dinosaurs: A Global View (Spain: Barnes and Noble Books, 1996), p. 179.
23. Norman, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Dinosaurs, pp. 170–172.
P. Wellnhofer, Pterosaurs: The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Prehistoric Flying Reptiles (New York: Barnes and Noble, 1991), pp. 83–85, 135–136.
24. e.g., NIV Study Bible (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1985).
25. New Living Translation: Holy Bible (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, 1996). Job 40:15: ‘Take a look at the mighty hippopotamus.’
26. P.S. Taylor, The Great Dinosaur Mystery, Films for Christ, Mesa, AZ, 1991. See also the book: P. Taylor, The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible, (Denver, CO:
Accent Publications Inc., 1989).
27. D. Swift, ‘Messages on Stone,’ Creation, 1997, 19(2):20–23.
28. C. Wieland, ‘Sensational Dinosaur Blood Report,’ Creation, 1997, 19(4):42–43.
29. D. Batten, ‘Buddy Davis — The Creation Music Man (Who Makes Dinosaurs),’ Creation, 1997, 19(3):49–51.
M. Helder, ‘Fresh Dinosaur Bones Found,’ Creation, 1992, 14(3):16–17.
30. M. Schweitzer and T. Staedter, ‘The Real Jurassic Park,’ Earth, June 1997, pp. 55–57. See report in Creation, 19(4):42–43, which describes the careful testing that
showed that hemoglobin was present.
31. K. Davies, ‘Duckbill Dinosaurs (Hadrosauridae, Ornithischia) from the North Slope of Alaska,’ Journal of Paleontology, 1987, 61(1):198–200.
32. Batten, ‘Buddy Davis—The Creation Music Man … .’
33. S.G. Lucas, Dinosaurs: The Textbook, (Dubuque, IA: Wm C. Brown Publishers, 1994), pp. 194–196.
34. D. Marrs and V. Kylberg, Dino Cardz, 1991. Estemmenosuchus was a large mammal-like reptile. ‘Despite having menacing-looking fangs it apparently was a plant-eater.’
They possibly concluded this from its rear teeth.
35. K. Brandes, Vanishing Species (New York: Time-Life Books, 1974), p. 98.
36. P. Weston, ‘Bats: Sophistication in Miniature,’ Creation, 1999, 21(1):28–31.
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37. Morris, The Genesis Record, p. 78.
38. For example, D. Ager, The New Catastrophism Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 1993).
39. M. Crichton, The Lost World (New York: Ballantine Books, 1995), p. 122. ‘Dinosaurs were mostly small … . People always think they were huge, but
the average dinosaur was the size of a sheep or a small pony.’
Horner, The Complete T. rex, p. 124. ‘Most dinosaurs were smaller than bulls.’
40. D. Lambert, A Field Guide to Dinosaurs (New York: Avon Books, 1983), p. 127.
41. W. Mehlert, ‘On the Origin of Cats and Carnivores,’ CEN Technical Journal, 1995, 9(1):106–120.
42. Norell et.al., Discovering Dinosaurs in the American Museum of Natural History, fi gure 56, pp. 86–87.
Czerkas and Czerkas, Dinosaurs: A Global View, p. 151.
43. For example, reptiles drowned in a fl ash flood 200 million years ago, according to the interpretation put upon the reptile fossils discovered in Lubbock Quarry, Texas.
The Weekend Australian, Nov. 26–27, 1983, p. 32.
44. C. Wieland, ‘ “Lost World” Animals Found!’ Creation, 1996, 19(1):10–13.
45. Anon., ‘Sensational Australian Tree … Like “Finding a Live Dinosaur.” ’ Creation, 1995, 17(2):13.
See also, Anon., Melbourne Sun, Feb. 6, 1980. More than 40 people claimed to have seen plesiosaurs off the Victorian coast (Australia) over recent years.
46. J. Scheven, Living Fossils: Confirmation of Creation, Creation Videos, Answers in Genesis, Queensland, Australia.
47. Anon., ‘Dinosaur Hunt,’ Science Digest, 1981, 89(5):21.
H.A. Regusters, ‘Mokele-Mbembe: An Investigation into Rumors Concerning a Strange Animal in the Republic of Congo,’ 1981, Munger
Africana Library Notes, Issue 64, 1982, pp. 2–32.
M. Agmagna, ‘Results of the First Congolese Mokele-Mbembe Expedition,’ Cryptozoology, 1983, 2:103—as cited in Science Frontiers No. 33, 1983.
48. D. Catchpoole, ‘Mokele-Mbembe: A Living Dinosaur?’ Creation, 1999, 21(4):24–25.
49. D. Swift, ‘Messages on Stone,’ Creation, 1997, 19(2):20–23.
50. C. Wieland, ‘Hello Dolly!’ Creation, 1997, 19(3):23.
51. Norell, Discovering Dinosaurs in the American Museum of Natural History, p. 13.
52. V. Morell, ‘Origin of Birds: The Dinosaur Debate,’ Audubon, March /April 1997, p. 38.
53. Anon., ‘New “Birdosaur” NOT Missing Link!’ Creation, 1993, 15(3):3.
Anon., ‘ “Birdosaur” More Like a Mole,’ Creation, 1993, 15(4):7.
54. M.W. Browne, ‘Downy Dinosaur Reported,’ Cincinnati Enquirer, Oct. 19, 1996, p. A13.
55. Anon., ‘Remains of Feathered Dinosaur Bolster Theory on Origin of Birds,’ Associated Press, New York, 1997.
56. B. Stieg, ‘Did Birds Evolve from Dinosaurs?’ The Philadelphia Inquirer, March 1997.
57. P. Recer, ‘Birds Linked to Dinosaurs,’ Cincinnati Enquirer, May 21, 1997, p. A9.
58. Stieg, ‘Did Birds Evolve from Dinosaurs?’
59. Recer, ‘Birds Linked to Dinosaurs.’
60. A.C. Burke and A. Feduccia, ‘Developmental Patterns and the Identification of Homologies in the Avian Hand,’ Science, 1997, 278:666–668.
61. J.A. Ruben, T.D. Jones, et al., ‘Lung Structure and Ventilation in Theropod Dinosaurs and Early Birds,’ Science, 1997, 278:1267–1270.
62. A. Gibbons, ‘Plucking the Feathered Dinosaur,’ Science, 1997, 278:1229.
63. J. Sarfati, ‘Dino-bird Evolution Falls Flat,’ Creation, 1998, 20(2):41.
M.J. Oard, ‘Bird-dinosaur Link Challenged,’ CEN Tech. J., 1998, 12(1):5–7."




Give us evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed, even though they have been proved to have lived millions of years apart.


Since what you assert has been proven to you, you must have a low threshold of proof in order to take something as being true. Or it could be that what you hold as fact is based on faith.



I am questioning the truth of the bible.


I am not.


I will not accept verses from that same book as an answer.


I will.




-

And do you agree or disagree with these statements which I was referring to in my previous posts...

Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad

The bible is not the word of God. It was written by men. It is the word of men. Even if you believe it is the word of God, its original authors would have written it the way they interpreted it, therefore there is a considerably large possibility that they made mistakes, exaggerated, or even lied, to suit the message they - mere mortals - wanted to put forward.

To state that biblical authority is undermined by people who interpret it differently is a contradiction. It was originally an interpretation. The bible is not an authority on anything, it is a collection of opinions.


I disagree. See page 3 of this thread.

Steve



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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That was a good copy paste sntx. Noew try thinking for yourself.

By the way, you are now an admitted liar.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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you humans are so abstract ..all so silly
can anyone just be real..
ya all seem so messed up...
all mixed up...
if only you knew the real truth..
you would crack up laughing your ass off



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
you humans are so abstract ..all so silly
can anyone just be real..
ya all seem so messed up...
all mixed up...
if only you knew the real truth..
you would crack up laughing your ass off


You humans? Interesting. Are you implying that you are not human?



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by sntxSince what you assert has been proven to you, you must have a low threshold of proof in order to take something as being true. Or it could be that what you hold as fact is based on faith.


Based on faith? I have no "faith" in anything. I believe what I have come to believe with good reason.

I believe that dinosaurs and humans never co-existed. To believe otherwise is to ignore overwhelming evidence:

Carbon dating: Radioactive Carbon (Carbon-14) is present in all living things, fossilised or otherwise. It's rate of decline in radioactivity (calculated using its half-life - that's the time taken for its radioactivity to reduce by half) is known as an indisputable fact. By measuring the radioactivity of dinosaur fossils containing carbon-14, archaeologists have worked out that dinosaurs lived no more recently than 65 million years ago. This is an indisputable fact.

The same method has been used to calculate that humans "arrived" by whichever means you choose to believe, no more than 2 million years ago, in their most primitive form.

Geology: Over millions of years different layers of rock, earth and minerals pile up, and each layer can be identified as belonging to a certain time in pre-history. As dinosaur fossils have not been found in the same layers as human fossils, other than as a result of earthquakes or volcanioc activity, we can deduce that they never co-existed.

Lack of historical documentation: There is no evidence produced by humans in the form of writing, paintings or any other medium, to suggest that dinosaurs co-existed with them. This is not counting the faked pottery from Peru, or the bible verses which were translated by a Hebrew speaker earlier in the thread as referring to animals which are alive today.

This is solid evidence, infact I would go so far to say that it is proof. I base my belief on facts.

I have justified myself. Now prove your beliefs to me.

There are no references to dinosaurs in the bible.

It is not beyond modern Christians to alter the bible in translation to their own ends.

The writers of the bible were very much capable of lying, exaggerating and making mistakes.


[edit on 20-2-2005 by CiderGood_HeadacheBad]



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 04:59 PM
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Let's just assume there is a "God" for a moment. We all know there sin't really, but let's just assume for #s and giggles...

Let's imagine this "God" character has a message for us lowly mortals. He has to go through men to have it written down and distributed, doesn't he?

After all, the book, and language, are inventions of man, not creations of "God".

Do you really think it is impossible that these men could have made mistakes? I for one think that it's rather disrespectful to your "God" to believe that something other than "Him" is infallible.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Seapeople

Dbrant. Question for you. If you answer this honestly, then you are not like the rest. For some strange reason, I don't think you are like the rest. It must have been an impression you gave me somewhere else.

Is it a fact that it was dinosaurs mentioned in the bible, or is it just speculation? Answer this regardless of your beliefs as to whether or not it was dinosaurs. Is it a fact?


After studying and thinking on the verses. My vote would be this is talking about dinosaurs. I believe that dinosaurs are a big deal to mankind(in the sense that it causes division) and God would put the answer in the Bible. Also in Genesis it says when God created the animals so that means dinosaurs also.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 05:33 PM
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Sometimes you just read initial post topic and the answer just comes straight into your head.

Were dinasuars mentioned in the bible?

NO.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad

Based on faith? I have no "faith" in anything. I believe what I have come to believe with good reason.


Oh so you do not make assumptions about things that have or have not occurred in the past. You do not base your interpretation of the facts on the belief that there is no god or at least not god that performed acts of special creation. Fair enough, I will have to take your word for it.



I believe that dinosaurs and humans never co-existed. To believe otherwise is to ignore overwhelming evidence:


Oh, you mean the evidence that is interpreted by beliefs about what happened in the past that you don't have. Do you know the difference between historical science and operational science? Can historical science be pursued without some kind of axiomatic basis?



Carbon dating: Radioactive Carbon (Carbon-14) is present in all living things, fossilised or otherwise. It's rate of decline in radioactivity (calculated using its half-life - that's the time taken for its radioactivity to reduce by half) is known as an indisputable fact. By measuring the radioactivity of dinosaur fossils containing carbon-14, archaeologists have worked out that dinosaurs lived no more recently than 65 million years ago. This is an indisputable fact.

The same method has been used to calculate that humans "arrived" by whichever means you choose to believe, no more than 2 million years ago, in their most primitive form.


Since the dating methods you cite rely on man made assumptions about decay rates (for example that decay rates are constant regardless of environmental conditions) they can hardly be described as indisputable.



Geology: Over millions of years different layers of rock, earth and minerals pile up, and each layer can be identified as belonging to a certain time in pre-history. As dinosaur fossils have not been found in the same layers as human fossils, other than as a result of earthquakes or volcanioc activity, we can deduce that they never co-existed.



You answered this one yourself. Volcanic activity, earthquakes and hydrologic action are capable of depositing layer upon layer in a matter of minutes. To assume that layers took millions of years to be formed despite this knowledge is not intellectually honest.



Lack of historical documentation: There is no evidence produced by humans in the form of writing, paintings or any other medium, to suggest that dinosaurs co-existed with them. This is not counting the faked pottery from Peru, or the bible verses which were translated by a Hebrew speaker earlier in the thread as referring to animals which are alive today.



This is just plain untrue. Examples have already been given in this thread.



This is solid evidence, infact I would go so far to say that it is proof. I base my belief on facts.

I have justified myself. Now prove your beliefs to me.


You have already shown yourself to be willing to ignore what is presented to you.



There are no references to dinosaurs in the bible.


This has already been discussed and refuted. The continued statement of your opinion is not going to advance you cause.


It is not beyond modern Christians to alter the bible in translation to their own ends.



I agree, when they are willing to compromise biblical authority they no longer have a foundation to stand on. It is an error to make such a mistake.



The writers of the bible were very much capable of lying, exaggerating and making mistakes.


Yes, the people who wrote down scripture were fallible just like everyone else, save one, who has ever lived. As I said in an earlier post though the scripture existed before they ever wrote the words down. The word is more than just human literature. The Bible is the infallible word of God.

Steve



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Seapeople

Dbrant. Question for you. If you answer this honestly, then you are not like the rest. For some strange reason, I don't think you are like the rest. It must have been an impression you gave me somewhere else.

Is it a fact that it was dinosaurs mentioned in the bible, or is it just speculation? Answer this regardless of your beliefs as to whether or not it was dinosaurs. Is it a fact?


After studying and thinking on the verses. My vote would be this is talking about dinosaurs. I believe that dinosaurs are a big deal to mankind(in the sense that it causes division) and God would put the answer in the Bible. Also in Genesis it says when God created the animals so that means dinosaurs also.


I understand and accept what you believe. My question is not of your beliefs however. The question is, is it a fact, that dinosaurs were mentioned in the bible.

By the way. Every christian in here should go to your handi dandi standard christian encyclopedia. The international standard bible encyclopedia. Written for chtristians, by christians. I wonder what in the world they would have to say about leviathen, and behemoth. Maybe you all should take a look.


Urn

posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by sntx

Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad


I believe that dinosaurs and humans never co-existed. To believe otherwise is to ignore overwhelming evidence:


Oh, you mean the evidence that is interpreted by beliefs about what happened in the past that you don't have. Do you know the difference between historical science and operational science? Can historical science be pursued without some kind of axiomatic basis?


and this differs from your your quoting of scripture how?

the bible cannot be used as "evidence" in this situation, as the so called "referances" to dinosaurs can easily, and far more belivably, be interprated as referances to known critters alive and well today.

there are referances to the jabawocki(sp), in alice in wonder land....there for dinosaurs existed with man yes?



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 06:42 PM
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I am human
thou have a knowledge with in me,unlike so many.
divine knowledge runeth thru me
and things happen before me as if i was a god.thou i know i am not

thru my will a mountain could crumble,thou that would never be an intention.
i only create not destroy

and that is why knowledge has been taken away buried in the past..manipulated so there can be others in control of the herd.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Seapeople
I understand and accept what you believe. My question is not of your beliefs however. The question is, is it a fact, that dinosaurs were mentioned in the bible.


Beliefs are what you believe are true so you are asking a question that can't be answered to your satisfaction.

If someone were to ask me if dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible I would say yes.
If someone were to ask you if dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible you would say no because that's what you believe.

Am I right about right about this one, I believe so. Could I be wrong, yes.



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