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Sanctuary City Pastor dares Trump to come deport illegal living in her church

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posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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Methodists are liberals




Probably the reason that Hillary is also a Methodist as well.


I was raised methodist.

I am as far from a liberal or at least what passes in the twenty first century for it as one can get.




posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
"Sanctuary City Pastor tries to leverage Trump Hate for an increase in donations"


Yup, and it's about time for churches to pay taxes. Seeing as how they can't figure out how to stay out of politics.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

As has already been taught to you, "bad hombres" was a sentiment made in regards to illegals coming into the US to commit violent and property crimes, not DACA recipients. Not sure what else needs to be said to teach you the difference between the two.


There all illegals right, so now its only a percentage of those illegals who are bad hombres, nice for clarifying that for me today.


So that means some illegals are ok to stay, or is that going to change next time breitbart tells you too.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: FamCore
I heard the pastor being interviewed on the radio, first citing Jesus' teachings as the reason for wanting to protect the individual...

The exact same thing that cults do, twist Scriptures and use them as bait for false credibility...

Only difference here is that instead of a cult, it's a fifth column trojan horse.


BIBLICAL HOOK: A text of Scripture is quoted primarily as a device to grasp the attention of readers or listeners and then followed by a teaching which is so nonbiblical that it would appear far more dubious to most people had it not been preceded by a reference to Scripture.

Scripture Twisting Methods of the Cults

He will disguise himself as an angel of light and in every false religion the name of Jesus is there as the hook that makes them believe that something is real there. ~ Ana Mendez Ferrell(@ 3 min.)




edit on 1.25.2018 by Murgatroid because: Felt like it...



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 04:13 PM
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You can't get in to Heaven without the "right stuff".
I think God would beg to differ with the church on this one.
When Jesus said "Render unto Caesar" he wasn't talking about Methodists.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

He is trying to get them all out. As far as the wall, it was approved decades ago and he is just requesting the funding that was to be appropriated but was not.

Personally, I think we should stop all immigration for two years and get a better policy in place. Not because I am racist, or xenophobic, or Islmaphobic or a knuckle dragging Trump supporter. Because it would benefit our country if we took care of ourselves as a nation.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

I love it when people dare the government to enforce the laws that they’re breaking. It’s like they think that Trump is the one who will show up to deport people. Do they even realize that there is an entire agency full of officers, and this is their primary duty.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: VengefulGhost
Deport his ass and send her to prison for aiding and abetting .
I wish I could give you more than one star.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
There all illegals right


They are if the law doesn't change as the President is advocating for and yes, they will be escorted out if the liberal wing of Congress doesn't stop playing the DACA beneficiaries as pawns in their little game. You got that one dead right. Good job!



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

It might benefit the ones trying to get in illegally, as well.

Though that's, perhaps, a bit more problematic depending upon the circumstances they're leaving behind.

But having to hide in a church, as in this case, can't be much of a life.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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I'm against illegal immigration, but all for separation of church and state. If that pastor wants to allow this immigrant to stay, I say more power to them all. But if the pastor is genuine about it, that sanctuary will become too packed with immigrants to hold mass after awhile.

Let them run their experiment. In this case, it's really not hurting anyone.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Simple question, what does she think is special about her building that will stop Federal law enforcement from breaking in and taking the perp? I don't believe a church really is legally codified as a sanctuary but more of a tradition. If her god wants to keep perp safe he better have Angels at the door with those big honking flaming swords.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Sanctuary City Pastor dares Trump to come deport illegal living in her church

So much for turning the other cheek or forgiveness is divine.

Instead we get preachers acting like 2 year olds.







Yeap, in case you hadn't noticed you have a man child as POTUS, the bibs are off and dummies are being spat.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: matafuchs

All things being equal, I would not temp or dare Trump to a pissing match. He more than likely would surprise you with the amount of piss he brings.


Friggin biblical amounts!




posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine
I'm against illegal immigration, but all for separation of church and state. If that pastor wants to allow this immigrant to stay, I say more power to them all. But if the pastor is genuine about it, that sanctuary will become too packed with immigrants to hold mass after awhile.

Let them run their experiment. In this case, it's really not hurting anyone.



Catacombs.

That's where they put them in the movies.




posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: neo96
Sanctuary City Pastor dares Trump to come deport illegal living in her church

So much for turning the other cheek or forgiveness is divine.

Instead we get preachers acting like 2 year olds.



Yeap, in case you hadn't noticed you have a man child as POTUS, the bibs are off and dummies are being spat.



Trump ate his twin in the womb.

So bring it on!





posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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Having read the article and the comments the following can be stated:

This is an interesting test case, and one that I do not believe that the current administration or courts would want to hear or rule on, for the ruling would set a precedent that would ripple across the country and have a bearing on many of the laws in some states.

The first question that was asked about what legal ground would a minister of a church have to do this. There is legal precedent that is present, and federal law that is also present that would be a bit of a kink in the federal government’s reach. The laws are grouped in what is known at the Ministerial exception laws. These laws are designed to protect the freedom of religion, and ministers from lawsuits, along with granting them a wide birth of latitude , when it comes to the running of their church. It means that a minister can discriminate on say hiring or firing, of running of the church. The entire church and what goes on is controlled by the minister.

There never has been a case where a church has been raided by the US law enforcement, even though there has been a legal right to do such. Make no mistake there is no law either state or federal that would accept or protect Sanctuary status in a church.

Now will they raid a church, the answer is going probably be no. What person would want to be responsible for that PR disaster and train wreck, that would kill any persons career and follow them around for the rest of their natural life? Think about it, what would the papers say and what would the reaction be? Here is what I believe it would say:

Law enforcement desecrated a church, and violated a person’s civil rights and the constitution at the same time.
So there is the problem right there, the government would in a lose/lose situation. And the court case would be one that no one would want, let alone the ruling that would be put forth from it. If the courts ruled against the Federal government, it would set a precedent for the church’s and give them a bit more of a legal latitude, that includes to some illegal activity, and law enforcement would have a harder time enforcing a laws where it came to other church’s and religious establishments. And if it ruled against a Church, then it puts many of the Freedom of Religion laws at risk, along with many of the newer laws that were enacted to being fought and removed.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: neo96
Sanctuary City Pastor dares Trump to come deport illegal living in her church

So much for turning the other cheek or forgiveness is divine.

Instead we get preachers acting like 2 year olds.



Yeap, in case you hadn't noticed you have a man child as POTUS, the bibs are off and dummies are being spat.



Trump ate his twin in the womb.

So bring it on!








Thankfully, one trump is enough.



posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 05:33 AM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Easy solution: a church participating in politics loses their tax exemption.

The dederal government is not required to observe a tax exempt status, and what this pastor is doing is political. Her own doctrine states that she should render unto caesar.



posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Funny that you should mention about participating in politics, and more on that one in a moment.

What this church is doing, is it participating in politics. I would say no. Church's have given sanctuary in the past to those who seek it, or who wish protection from one group or another. Slowly over the ages, that protection has withered down and more and more have chosen to work within the law, go from there, but still they hold onto this age old tradition. It is one that is steeped in tradition and history.

But this church's actions are not as vulgar in the political realm, is challenge one of the Presidents policies. It is not like say throwing their weight behind a political campaign or an issue, or even say helping fund a campaign for a particular issue. All of which some church's have done, and did not even get any sort of punishment what so ever. Televangelists flaunt some of the laws with impunity, even so much as making political statements on air, yet the government ignores that. So why go after one man, what compelling interest would there be for the US government to actually go after this one man and raid a church?

In the past other people who were under deportation orders have sought and were granted sanctuary within church's in the USA and the US government did not violate a church bound's. Mind you that if the person left, they would be arrested and taken.

But here is the real problem that the government faces. The majority are Republicans, whose political base happens to be Evangelical Christians. If the government moves against and raids a church, there could be political backlash, both politically and legally. The minister simply is going to state that she was following her belief, and her rights as a citizen to exercise her 1st amendment rights. And with RFRA's both federal and state around, this particular case would put those laws on trial as well. The RFRA laws that have been passed or considered, gave more latitude to church's when it came to their running, more protection from local and federal government, to shield them from laws that would make them violate their beliefs. Well here you have someone exercising their moral beliefs, as it is written down in a book, they will have to decide to either accept it and just ignore it, or violate that and put those laws at risk.



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