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posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: YungMahn
a reply to: Outlier13

Well you should calm down and learn what a leftist is, first. Democrats certainly are not leftists.



You need to revisit the text book definition of a leftist. i.e. a person who supports the political views or policies of the left. aka democrats.

Lack of education is a terrible thing.




posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: face23785

No, but then the GOP isn't being exactly forthright, either. They could be honest and tell the People that the reason the GOP lawmakers haven't done jack squat about illegal aliens over the past 20 years is that their megadonors in the big agriculture, retail and office (maintenace and cleaning), and food service industries don't want to see their dirt cheap labor shipped back to where they belong South of the border.

Unfortunately, we're stuck with a pair of parties that both feed from the same establishment trough where meaningful border controls and restrictive immigration policies are concerned, so we actual Americans are the ones losing here.


I can't argue with any of that. That's one reason I wish Americans would wake up and abolish the two-party system. This is something voters could do ourselves. Both major parties need serious housecleaning.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: hoss53
a reply to: JBurns

Do you really think building an 18 billion wall will make any different?


The estimated cost on the American public for harboring illegal immigrants each year is estimated to be $113 billion. If the completion of the wall decreases that by half then we are saving a fortune in the ongoing cost to combat illegal immigration.

Yes, of course, it will make a difference. The more difficult it is to enter into the US the less likely illegals are to come. It's pretty simple reasoning. No one thinks the completion of the wall is going to entirely stop illegal immigration but it will dramatically impact the number of illegals coming across the border.

We cannot continue to spend this level of money on people who enter our country illegally year after year.

Why is the left so opposed to doing things legally? Oh wait...never mind.



You have to be a special kind of brain dead to believe a wall is going to make a difference.


Lol...yet another stellar argumentative post by a liberal. No wonder you guys lose so much.






Sigh! wrong again.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: hoss53

They come through Mexico because of the easy crossing. They are not predominately Mexican as simple minds say. If you educate yourself on the issue you would understand better.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe


It is unfortunately a false equivalency we have been subjected to from the start of border wall discussion. So many mistake "illegal immigrants coming through the Mexican border" for "all illegal immigrants are from Mexico"

Glad to see you bring that up K



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: face23785


face, almost like some important people tried warning us of this back-when



John Adams said:
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.



George Washington:
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


Couldn't have made a better point



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire


If by triggered you mean I am interested in intelligent and rational discourse, then sure I'm triggered.

In reality, my issue has nothing to do with the actual OP's opinion and everything to do with the false equivalency between Democrats supporting a criminal act and bearing some responsibility of that act, oppose to Republicans protecting a Constitutional right and not bearing responsibility for those who choose to misuse that legal right. One = crime, one = Constitutional right. They are at opposite ends of the spectrum.


I enjoy coming to ATS to find thread after thread of offended snowflakes who take their own and others opinions far too seriously


Hmm, I don't get that from reading my OP. But you're entitled to your own opinion as well. In general, those who claim to hate Sean Hannity and Tomi Lahren should avoid using buzzwords created by them however



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Your quote there for George Washington sounds like it was aimed at Trump and the current political climate.



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


I think it could be applied to a lot of situations and characters, most likely according to one's own political beliefs/agenda.

Nevertheless, it illustrates why a two party system is counter-productive to our ideal system of governance IMHO



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 12:25 AM
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a reply to: Outlier13

Lol the fact that you think Democrats are leftist just exposes how poorly educated you are. How funny

*anything that goes against conservative belief*

“LEFTIST!!!!!”

Childlike, really.



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: Outlier13

He’s right.



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: YungMahn

Aren't you the one who doesn't understand a leftist and a liberal are the same?

Please explain how a physical barrier has no application to limiting the illegal migration of people from one region to another. Very interested to understand this.

EDIT: What was your previous handle before you were banned last time? Isn't this your 3rd attempt now?


edit on 23-1-2018 by Outlier13 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 02:58 AM
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originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: neo96
If you saw the court rulings in California.

An illegal immigrant committed murder(California has the felony murder rule,also has the toughest gun laws on the books).

Let them walk.

They are complicit.


A non-illegal ran down and killed someone didn't they? how to reconcile that...with two statements?

How bout illegals that killing folks is a daily routine ?
I did it in one..
Challenge accepted
Challenge won
Now , vamoose



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: YungMahn

I suppose you've never met the antifa, socialist, communist and far-left sects of your party then? Do you realize they're dragging your party further to the left, which is why it lost in a lot of states it should have won?

The American people love centrist Democratic policies. They don't like far-left nut-jobs (any more than most of us like far-right nut-jobs)



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: hoss53
a reply to: JBurns

Do you really think building an 18 billion wall will make any different?


I fail to see how 18 billion is such a back breaking sum when just my own state is spending over $98 Billion on Gov Jerry's Moonbeam Express



posted on Jan, 23 2018 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: hoss53
a reply to: JBurns

Do you really think building an 18 billion wall will make any different?


Allow me to have you answer your question for yourself, by asking you this simple question.

How much money will I have to pay you in order for you to watch as I kill your entire family ? And you will also agree to not alert the police or press any charges ??

Well, it turned out to be two questions, but I believe they almost count as one. So here's another. If it saved one life will the money spent on the wall have been well spent?



posted on Jan, 24 2018 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: Outlier13

The Leftists of today are complete brainless idiots on nearly Every subject that matters. It didn't used to matter to me much, but now, their bumbling ignorance has begun to venture into treasonous territory...


edit on 1/24/2018 by 3n19m470 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 24 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: 3n19m470

100% agree. There was a time when it really didn't matter because it was just liberals being liberals. Today it is a different story. I've never seen such an intentionally ignorant group of people in every way possible. They have allowed and advocated for the absolute decline of the US on many levels.

Ask them a coherent question and they immediately shut up because they realize they have no logical response. Sheep to end.







 
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