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WTC 7 fell in relative silence, no detonation capable of cutting steel.

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posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux


Can you please quote your information?

AE, who by the way, aren't exactly a bunch of amateurs, but are structural engineers and physicists, some of whom are from MIT among other universities, put forth rather convincing arguments. So I would like to see a comparison.

Furthermore, when considering other information such as the "dancing Israelis" who admitted to having prior knowledge, the magical indestructible passport that was miraculously discovered the day after amongst tonnes of rubble , failure to follow legally required material disaster research (they almost immediately sent everything to china to be smelted), the fact that a plane hit the Pentagon exactly at the location where investigation team that was just commencing its investigation into the missing 2 trillion dollars that was announced just the day before, the fact that a stand down order was initially given once the planes veered off course and air traffic controllers where told that it was a drill.... if one can ignore all of these things and more, then maybe we could all just shrug it off and just accept your belief that there is nothing to see here because you're convinced that there isn't enough proof




posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux


originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: intrptr

I think he is saying that an explosion capable of cutting through the supports would register on local seismic scales..

Not just make a popping sound.



"Popping sounds"? Realeal 'explosive demo' is both seismic and loud. POP THIS>>>

There is no mistaking it... for miles. There is never a single bang, but a cacophony of distinct cracks and booms, accompanied by rolling echoes. Then, once the demolition train is done the building begins to come down, relatively quietly, compared to the charges themselves.

People struggle to associate the boom or bang of a single explosion with a 'set' of multiple charges employed to actually bring buildings down. Any of these single recorded noises on 911 can be associated with natural gas explosions and or cook off of vehicle gas tanks near, in and around the buildings themselves. Hundreds of vehicles were destroyed and burned in the collapses of the twin towers. All the foundations of the buildings had natural gas oultets, several gas tanks in the WTC 7 building itself were for running generators in case of an emergency.

Now compare the sounds of above videos with this 'explosiveless demo' of buildings in France...

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posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 10:05 PM
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I saw a video of the collapse shot from a stationary camera at ground level that shows tremors a few seconds before the fall.

Never saw that video again, but it was real, and a long time ago. I am aware that seismic data shows no precursor wave, but the video I saw was convincing.

Someone should look for it.



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posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


Bringing the GWOT was not the ONLY reason for the attacks at WTC. There were many goals accomplished that day.

Perhaps the most critical goal was destroying the records at the pentagon. Read the work of E.P. Heidner.



posted on Jan, 25 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: Salander

So they could orcastrate 911 but couldn’t use a paper shredder??

They could orcastrate 911 but they couldn’t fake a power failure that wiped the system?!?!

The thing is for a group with the authority and resources to perpetrate 911. Insurance scams, court cases and pentagon records are small potato’s...

Any group who could orcastrate 911 wouldn’t need tax scams. They would have access to the money printing machines..

There is no motivation I can think of where 911 wouldn’t be bringing a nuke to a knife fight..


It’s too expensive and risky to ever be the most logical course of action..



posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: JoshuaCox


Bringing the GWOT was not the ONLY reason for the attacks at WTC. There were many goals accomplished that day.

Perhaps the most critical goal was destroying the records at the pentagon. Read the work of E.P. Heidner.



Again. How is hitting one small section of a building over 24 acres in size going to destroy all the records in the pentagon, all records stored off site, all the financial records at military bases world wide, all the financial records of separation FBI/CIA insulations, the records of military vendors, the audit records, money transfers from the treasury, banking money transfers, banking records, financial records of vendors, and the financial records of individuals.


If there was black ops dealing strictly in cash, other than the treasury records, what records would there be to destroy?

Such a false narrative....



posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: timequake

According to who “they are structural engineers”???

I always here this garbage about how all the engineers agree it was a scam...


Yet there are countless accounts of engineers pointing out all the lies about the conspiracy theory..

A) the buildings did not fall at freefall speeds..

B) building 7 was gutted by debris before it collapsed..

C ) why would you need to set explosives?’vb

Why wouldn’t just the planes be good enough??

Exc, exc, exc,



posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Well genius, how did the building fall down then? No debris hit it from 1 or 2, no plane hit it. If it wasn't a controlled demolition how did the building come down. Buildings are kinda made to stay up.



posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: richapau

Because debris did hit it from 1 and 2..

The tape only shows one side of the building.. the back half is totally wrecked from a big chunk of building that hit the roof and a ripped out a big V shaped chunk.

The wall you see in the video of tower 7 is the only half of the building still standing.



www.google.com...

Here is the popular mechanics report..

AKA actual engineers.

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posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: neutronflux

Well genius, how did the building fall down then? No debris hit it from 1 or 2, no plane hit it. If it wasn't a controlled demolition how did the building come down. Buildings are kinda made to stay up.


Why do you think steel is insulated in the first place from fire?

Did you know the WTC had deficient fire insulation for the steel?

Like to cite the evidence that WTC 7 collapsed from something other than damage from the twin towers, fire, and thermal stress damage! That floor connections were at angles not normally used in construction, the odd construction of WTC 7 over the electrical substation, and the lack of a traditional concrete core that saved other builds has nothing to do with why WTC 7 collapsed.

Between NIST, and the studies concerning the insurance company lawsuit vs WTC 7 owners, there are two or three studies that proves WTC 7 collapsed from fire related issues.



posted on Jan, 26 2018 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: richapau

Aerial photo of the south side of the WTC complex pre 11/9/01



Do you recognize that (relatively) little brown building right behind the north tower?
The north tower is the one on the left with the big antenna on the roof.



posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 02:07 AM
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a reply to: Pilgrum

The south face of WTC 7 (one that faced WTC 1) was red granite

FDNY responders reported it had a huge gash extending 20 stories

Most views of WTC 7 show the north face along Barclay Street which was black marble

Photos and video of south face of WTC 7 are almost entirely absent do to amount of debris, and fires burning in rest
of WTC complex in 4, 5, 6 prevented access to that side



posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 02:14 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

You do realize that building 7 had 24 core column that would've all had to collapse in complete synchronicity to achieve the collapse that building 7 had, right?

The odds of fire being able to do that are zilch. I'm sure you'll ask me for sources on that. The only sources I have are common sense and logic.



posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: neutronflux

You do realize that building 7 had 24 core column that would've all had to collapse in complete synchronicity to achieve the collapse that building 7 had, right?

The odds of fire being able to do that are zilch. I'm sure you'll ask me for sources on that. The only sources I have are common sense and logic.


Do you have proof of CD other than you don’t understand fire, structural steel expands and weakens when heated, thermal stress, and structural steel buckling?

State what principal states columns had to fail in complete synchronicity. What does that even mean? Like a row of dominoes falling?



www.merriam-webster.com...

plural synchronicities
1 : the quality or fact of being synchronous
2 : the coincidental occurrence of events and especially psychic events (such as similar thoughts in widely separated persons or a mental image of an unexpected event before it happens) that seem related but are not explained by conventional mechanisms of causality —used especially in the psychology of C. G. Jung



Do you mean something like WTC 7 steel being exposed to fires over a long duration to cause buckling and bowing.

As the building showed signs it was undergoing structural failure as quoted from fire fighter.

Then once a structural item totally failed, the failure started a cascade of failures in columns already damaged and bowed by fire and thermal stress. A cascade of dynamic loading that was beyond the design limits of the remaining health steel columns to stop?



World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest

www.popularmechanics.com...

The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed.




www.popularmechanics.com...

triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.


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posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 06:20 AM
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The only things keeping Architects and Engineers on life support are:

1) The emotional faithful that are biased beyond logical thinking.
2) Ignoring WTC 7 did not have a traditional concrete core that has saved others buildings in the past.
3) Ignoring pre 9/11 inspections at the WTC found the fire insulation for structural steel deficient.
4) There are more than just the NIST study that concludes fire related collapse for WTC 7.



posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: neutronflux

You do realize that building 7 had 24 core column that would've all had to collapse in complete synchronicity to achieve the collapse that building 7 had, right?

The odds of fire being able to do that are zilch. I'm sure you'll ask me for sources on that. The only sources I have are common sense and logic.


Do you have proof of CD other than you don’t understand fire, structural steel expands and weakens when heated, thermal stress, and structural steel buckling?

State what principal states columns had to fail in complete synchronicity. What does that even mean? Like a row of dominoes falling?



www.merriam-webster.com...

plural synchronicities
1 : the quality or fact of being synchronous
2 : the coincidental occurrence of events and especially psychic events (such as similar thoughts in widely separated persons or a mental image of an unexpected event before it happens) that seem related but are not explained by conventional mechanisms of causality —used especially in the psychology of C. G. Jung



Do you mean something like WTC 7 steel being exposed to fires over a long duration to cause buckling and bowing.

As the building showed signs it was undergoing structural failure as quoted from fire fighter.

Then once a structural item totally failed, the failure started a cascade of failures in columns already damaged and bowed by fire and thermal stress. A cascade of dynamic loading that was beyond the design limits of the remaining health steel columns to stop?



World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest

www.popularmechanics.com...

The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed.




www.popularmechanics.com...

triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.



Hahahhahah you proved my point perfectly just there. As always, you attempt to overcomplicate a very simple fact.

I know you're bright enough to understand what "core columns collapsing in synchronicity" means without having to falsely compare it to dominoes or put up a definition of synchronicity.

In plain English, "buckling" or "bowing" of the core columns DID NOT happen since building 7 fell with nearly perfect symmetry. Steel that wasn't perfectly CUT in unison would cause a crooked or partial collapse.

But now you'll probably challenge the definition of symmetry. At least firerescue provides an echo chamber for your nonsense.
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posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 04:10 PM
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The collapse started in the interior of WTC 7, and was from east to west. The interior went into a progressive collapse that gutted the interior. Then the facade of WTC 7 fell in unison once the interior could no longer support the outer walls. The timing for the interior progressive collapse is different than the complete collapse of the exterior of WTC 7. Your narrative is not supported by fact or video.

Please cite a source that all the interior steel columns failed at the exact same instance.

Your narrative is false.

Firefighters reported earlier buckling of one of the WTC 7 outer walks long before the collapse. WTC 7 did have structural elements that underwent buckling and bowing.

There is no evidence of CD. Period.

Might look at this.
debunked-ae911truths-analysis-of-slag-residue-from-wtc-debris.t9468/
www.metabunk.org...

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posted on Jan, 27 2018 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Salander

So they could orcastrate 911 but couldn’t use a paper shredder??

They could orcastrate 911 but they couldn’t fake a power failure that wiped the system?!?!

The thing is for a group with the authority and resources to perpetrate 911. Insurance scams, court cases and pentagon records are small potato’s...

Any group who could orcastrate 911 wouldn’t need tax scams. They would have access to the money printing machines..

There is no motivation I can think of where 911 wouldn’t be bringing a nuke to a knife fight..


It’s too expensive and risky to ever be the most logical course of action..




Again, there were many purposes for the attacks. Yes, one of the purposes was just terror for its own sake. Yes the perps were terrorists, but they weren't muslims with box cutters flying with airplanes.

Some people made money, some consolidated power, and records were destroyed that would have really incriminated certain powerful men.

And tricks were played and technology tested. Yes, the Missions were accomplished.



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