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originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: AgarthaSeed
Wonderful job of deflection but I can't really blame you knowing full well your sources lack any credibility.
Bringing up irrelevant subjects such as the Vatican & Gnostic sects while labeling facts as 'barbaric dogma' only hurts your own credibility.
originally posted by: Kukri
The bible is all about Jesus?
I have 2 words for you...
“I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!” John 8:58 NIV
John revealed a surprising truth in John 1:18: “No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him” (emphasis added throughout). Jesus also said, “And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form” (John 5:37).
These two scriptures teach us an important fact: The Father has not directly spoken to or been seen by any human being at any time. But if we look through the Old Testament, we see many occasions when God worked directly with human beings. If the One who revealed Himself to the patriarchs and Israel in the Old Testament was not the Father—then who was He?
The Word was, essentially, the being in the God family who served as the spokesman. He has always been responsible for communicating the will of the Father to human beings—during Old Testament and New Testament times.
“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). Yes, Jesus Christ claimed that He predated Abraham. But, in saying this, Jesus also gave a not-so-subtle clue about His identity that wasn’t lost on the angry Jews who surrounded Him. He referred to Himself as “I AM.” This was actually a divine title of God! When God had appeared to Moses from the burning bush, God had identified Himself as “I AM WHO I AM” and “I AM” (Exodus 3:14).
Jesus Christ Was the God of the Old Testament
It was the One who became Jesus Christ who literally walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He was the One who dealt directly with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the One who spoke "face to face" with Moses (Numbers 12:8). He was the One who spoke the Ten Commandments from the top of Mount Sinai!
The Apostle John makes it clear that the One who became Jesus Christ existed from eternity: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:1–3).
Here John points out that the Word—the Logos or Spokesman—had been with God from the beginning. He was the creative agent—acting for God the Father in making everything that is.
Who Was the God of the Old Testament?
Jesus is saying ‘It is me, do you see in Genesis 1:26. Yes, me, I was with your ancestors right at the beginning when I made you in my image and likeness. I came to your ancestors, yes, me Jesus in Genesis 3:8 as the Lord God as I was walking in the garden in the cool of the day and your ancestors hid from me among the trees.
It was me Jesus who spoke to your ancestors saying “Where are you?” It was me, Jesus the Lord God, who made the garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. It was me, Jesus Christ your Lord God, who appeared with my two angels to meet Abraham near the great trees of Mamre. It was me, your Lord God Jesus Christ (YESHUA) in Exodus 6:2, when I said to Moses, I AM the LORD who appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty.
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: ChesterJohn
Neighbour. You claim that you have an education in scripture, yet you don't know the first thing about your new testament. As already pointed out, the old testament has no words from Jesus.
But lets go on.
So show me a first person account of Jesus?
I will not kneel before your deity. Just as you'd not swear fealty to Baldur, or Dyanosis, or Adonis etc
So you give it up dude. Or might you threaten me again?
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ChesterJohn
The Mormon bible??
You don’t get to claim inerrancy when there are a gajillion different versions of the Bible..
Those things do not mix...
You can’t have inerrancy AND have the gospels disagree about what dat the crucifixion happened...
I believe that Jesus probably existed and that the belief system of Christianity has constantly shifted.. you aren’t still burning witches after all ..
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Noinden
Give it up dude Jesus Christ is real and you will kneel before him and answer for every idle word that proceeds out of your mouth. For what comes out of the mouth is what is in the heart. That is your hatred for him.