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originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Ohanka
As far as i'm concerned the overwhelming majority of the wealth the 1% enjoy in western society was not earned in any way. It was stolen. Stolen from the state, stolen from the people. The 1% live off the backs of the 99% while intentionally making their lives worse.
What a bunch of garbage. This comment is exhibit A of retardation.
So someone who creates a business, service, or is just really good at whatever it is they do and manages to make themselves immensely wealthy they "stole" the money?
So the lady who wrote Harry Potter, who is now a billionaire because of the popularity of her books, stole all that money?
The lady who created Spanx, who is also a billionaire, stole all that money? She just forced millions of women to go out and buy Spanx?
George Lucas force kids and adults for the past 40 years piss away money on Star Wars merchandise? His creation of industrial light and magic studios was stealing money by providing movie makers with better tech for special effects?
Dr. Dre stole all the money he made from making kids buy Beats headphones?
I can go on and on... I mean this in the most pleasant way possible, you are an idiot.
originally posted by: Oldskool88
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Ohanka
As far as i'm concerned the overwhelming majority of the wealth the 1% enjoy in western society was not earned in any way. It was stolen. Stolen from the state, stolen from the people. The 1% live off the backs of the 99% while intentionally making their lives worse.
What a bunch of garbage. This comment is exhibit A of retardation.
So someone who creates a business, service, or is just really good at whatever it is they do and manages to make themselves immensely wealthy they "stole" the money?
So the lady who wrote Harry Potter, who is now a billionaire because of the popularity of her books, stole all that money?
The lady who created Spanx, who is also a billionaire, stole all that money? She just forced millions of women to go out and buy Spanx?
George Lucas force kids and adults for the past 40 years piss away money on Star Wars merchandise? His creation of industrial light and magic studios was stealing money by providing movie makers with better tech for special effects?
Dr. Dre stole all the money he made from making kids buy Beats headphones?
I can go on and on... I mean this in the most pleasant way possible, you are an idiot.
There are always exeptions. But do you think they deserve to be that immensely rich. Look at the average premier league footballers wage these days do they deserve that? Is that kind of wealth fair? Society enjoy watching football and reading books but one could argue your local street cleaners and bin men are more impo ft ant yet they get # all compared to a premier league football. I would need to work flat out for 20 years to earn what they earn (earn being used loosely) in a week.
originally posted by: MrBlaq
These same people will enjoy a movie/television,
indirectly contributing to the profits they claim to disdain.
But does their revulsion fall upon their favorite
movie star? I doubt it.
These same people will enjoy their favorite musician,
indirectly contributing to the profits they claim to disdain.
But does their revulsion fall upon their favorite
musician? I doubt it.
These same people will enjoy their favorite sporting event,
indirectly contributing to the profits they claim to disdain.
But does their revulsion fall upon their favorite
sports? I doubt it.
I could continue in this vein with a multitude of
situations, people, places, and events that are raking it in,
because of YOU.
If you truly destest the rich, stop paying rent/mortgage.
Stop buying food, fuel, cloths, or anything that causes
someone else to earn a profit.
Move into the forest, find shelter, and live off the land.
(if you can)
Until then this derision is nothing more than ignorance
of a market economy, and of those that have worked their
butts off to become rich.
How dare anyone seek to demean and/or take away
what others have worked for. Sorry to inform you,
but earning money in investment is work.
It's called mind work. If it were not genuine
work, every tom dick and harry would have
an roi. Most don't, because they're too damn
lazy to save their money, and read a book on
investing, then frustrate through the learning
curve to develop an investing strategy
that works.
It's really simple, most don't, because they don't
have what it takes.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: Oldskool88
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Ohanka
As far as i'm concerned the overwhelming majority of the wealth the 1% enjoy in western society was not earned in any way. It was stolen. Stolen from the state, stolen from the people. The 1% live off the backs of the 99% while intentionally making their lives worse.
What a bunch of garbage. This comment is exhibit A of retardation.
So someone who creates a business, service, or is just really good at whatever it is they do and manages to make themselves immensely wealthy they "stole" the money?
So the lady who wrote Harry Potter, who is now a billionaire because of the popularity of her books, stole all that money?
The lady who created Spanx, who is also a billionaire, stole all that money? She just forced millions of women to go out and buy Spanx?
George Lucas force kids and adults for the past 40 years piss away money on Star Wars merchandise? His creation of industrial light and magic studios was stealing money by providing movie makers with better tech for special effects?
Dr. Dre stole all the money he made from making kids buy Beats headphones?
I can go on and on... I mean this in the most pleasant way possible, you are an idiot.
There are always exeptions. But do you think they deserve to be that immensely rich. Look at the average premier league footballers wage these days do they deserve that? Is that kind of wealth fair? Society enjoy watching football and reading books but one could argue your local street cleaners and bin men are more impo ft ant yet they get # all compared to a premier league football. I would need to work flat out for 20 years to earn what they earn (earn being used loosely) in a week.
It is supply and demand. While the average street cleaner may work really hard, the reality is that they can be easily replaced. A talented pro-athlete is in short supply and thus their wages reflect this fact. The same goes for A list actors. The same goes for talented business executives. Even at Universities, star professors can earn far more than their counterparts.
Working hard by itself does not mean you are going to make a lot of money. You also have to be doing something that is valuable and harder to replace.
If you author a book and millions of people decide they want to read it, yes you deserve every single penny you earn. Why would anyone else have a claim to your work? They didn't write the book. People voluntarily paid you to read it.
Personally, I think it is absurd that the Kardashians are making like $50 million a year for doing nothing. Their claim to fame is being skeeted on by rappers and athletes. However, the reality is that there are enough idiots who want to know what they are doing with their lives on reality TV that advertisers are willing to pay millions of dollars for the exposure. It is what it is.... It doesn't affect my life and I have no claim to their money. More power to them.
In your world, you think Kim should be writing checks to the little people just because...
originally posted by: Oldskool88
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: Oldskool88
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Ohanka
As far as i'm concerned the overwhelming majority of the wealth the 1% enjoy in western society was not earned in any way. It was stolen. Stolen from the state, stolen from the people. The 1% live off the backs of the 99% while intentionally making their lives worse.
What a bunch of garbage. This comment is exhibit A of retardation.
So someone who creates a business, service, or is just really good at whatever it is they do and manages to make themselves immensely wealthy they "stole" the money?
So the lady who wrote Harry Potter, who is now a billionaire because of the popularity of her books, stole all that money?
The lady who created Spanx, who is also a billionaire, stole all that money? She just forced millions of women to go out and buy Spanx?
George Lucas force kids and adults for the past 40 years piss away money on Star Wars merchandise? His creation of industrial light and magic studios was stealing money by providing movie makers with better tech for special effects?
Dr. Dre stole all the money he made from making kids buy Beats headphones?
I can go on and on... I mean this in the most pleasant way possible, you are an idiot.
There are always exeptions. But do you think they deserve to be that immensely rich. Look at the average premier league footballers wage these days do they deserve that? Is that kind of wealth fair? Society enjoy watching football and reading books but one could argue your local street cleaners and bin men are more impo ft ant yet they get # all compared to a premier league football. I would need to work flat out for 20 years to earn what they earn (earn being used loosely) in a week.
It is supply and demand. While the average street cleaner may work really hard, the reality is that they can be easily replaced. A talented pro-athlete is in short supply and thus their wages reflect this fact. The same goes for A list actors. The same goes for talented business executives. Even at Universities, star professors can earn far more than their counterparts.
Working hard by itself does not mean you are going to make a lot of money. You also have to be doing something that is valuable and harder to replace.
If you author a book and millions of people decide they want to read it, yes you deserve every single penny you earn. Why would anyone else have a claim to your work? They didn't write the book. People voluntarily paid you to read it.
Personally, I think it is absurd that the Kardashians are making like $50 million a year for doing nothing. Their claim to fame is being skeeted on by rappers and athletes. However, the reality is that there are enough idiots who want to know what they are doing with their lives on reality TV that advertisers are willing to pay millions of dollars for the exposure. It is what it is.... It doesn't affect my life and I have no claim to their money. More power to them.
In your world, you think Kim should be writing checks to the little people just because...
Refreshing look at it, im sure i could of been a pro footballer if i was "lucky" to have the right support and been in the right place n right time to get scouted. I could do a management job iv done them in the past but supply and demand says theres only so many going. I work harder but get paid less tho i am sure i am more qualified and xp than my direct management. This is my point. Not taking away from your point tho its very valid. But a top surgeon should be paid more than any we have spoken about. I suppose things cant ever be fair thats life. But some things are outrageously unjust. Im cant complain about my situation to much tbf.
There are people at the top in banking and energy industries that are the super rich that do rob people in a fasion and manipulate markets to their advantage. I think this is what the other poster was refering to. A fairer system which focuses on bringing the new generation up with the skills needed for us to advance at speeds unfathomable previously. Is within our reach. Things arnt perfect and theres many of skilled / qualified / educated people out there being let down with the status quo. I dont disagree with anything you said just looking at it from another angle. Change with implementation of legislation and technologies could revolutionise fairness and targeted productivity.
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
When 1% makes 82%, how much is supposed to be left over for the bottom 20%?
originally posted by: Oldskool88
long Hours worked for low income people maybe should be entitled to bonuses subsidized by the %1 of top earners theres one way.
How you mean starting job. They could have many jobs within ones life. i know of people that are in managment within care homes yet are on only %5 above the minimum wage. Theres many reasons why people are within low paid jobs. We see it all the time coperations paying the people that generate there coperations wealth as little as they can get away with, despite of huge profits. I would say corporation greed and personal circumstance keeps many of hard working people into lower paid jobs. Lets not forget some people are scared of change or strughle with some of lifes challanges. Its easy to say thats there fault but thats not a fair stand point. i believe anyone that works towards the society in which we live should be rewarded with a true liveable wage the minimum wage is barely a surviveable wage. I would think differently if i thought resources were in low supply but they are not, our combined output is plenty. if properly managed could ensure every working and contributing human has enough to live provide for a child and most importantly afford to have a few days off each week to spend quality time with there family and friends. Far to many people getting less than deserved at the same point far to many contributing fa when in reality they could contribute more. There all points and issues already being addressed but falling short in solutions. Theres only one solution for a fairer economy and society and thats doing somthing drastic to cut this wealth divide. Its not easy but it must be done because the economy will suffer. Like the game of monopoly when the rich keep getting richer and taking a bigger percentage of the cash it gives the loosers less purchasing power. Dont get me wrong i believe that anyone that is lazy and that expects a free ride should get what they deserve but when i see people working fa and living a better quality of life of somone working full time it enrages me. I see it all the time. Dont get me wrong i recognize our world has improved significantly in the last 50 years but more can and should be done.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Oldskool88
long Hours worked for low income people maybe should be entitled to bonuses subsidized by the %1 of top earners theres one way.
How does a person go though life that works hard but never gets past their starting job?
originally posted by: Edumakated
Pretty much anyone in America is part of the global 1%.... I always find these posts comical because the people that post them never acknowledge this fact. If you are in a modern western civilized country, by default you are part of the 1%, no matter how poor you may be by American / western civilization standards.
The reality is that there are a lot of dirt poor people living in backward sh*tholes globally. Anyone in America dropping fries at the local fast food joint makes a global 1% income (or pretty close). Some kid living in a favela in South America or some ghetto in Haiti would kill to have the standard of living of the poorest person in America.
There has always been wealth inequality. ALWAYS. I'd argue we've never had more wealth equality because pretty much anyone can make it. No longer are people trapped in a caste by birth, education, race, or anything. If you got the hustle, you can make it.
These posts also never mention all the wealth that is created as a result of the innovation of the billionaires. Most of them are entrepreneurs who became immensely wealthy because they created a product or service that is used by millions/billions of people. Jeff Bezos has made tens of thousands of millionaires. Employees thousands of people. All the ancillary businesses and services that use Amazon. Same for Microsoft. Walmart. Any other business.
Even mega rich hedge funders like Ken Griffith ($8 billion) have created thousands of millionaires and highly paid jobs. His talents are keeping pensions afloat so Grandma can enjoy her retirement.
originally posted by: Puppylove
originally posted by: Edumakated
Pretty much anyone in America is part of the global 1%.... I always find these posts comical because the people that post them never acknowledge this fact. If you are in a modern western civilized country, by default you are part of the 1%, no matter how poor you may be by American / western civilization standards.
The reality is that there are a lot of dirt poor people living in backward sh*tholes globally. Anyone in America dropping fries at the local fast food joint makes a global 1% income (or pretty close). Some kid living in a favela in South America or some ghetto in Haiti would kill to have the standard of living of the poorest person in America.
There has always been wealth inequality. ALWAYS. I'd argue we've never had more wealth equality because pretty much anyone can make it. No longer are people trapped in a caste by birth, education, race, or anything. If you got the hustle, you can make it.
These posts also never mention all the wealth that is created as a result of the innovation of the billionaires. Most of them are entrepreneurs who became immensely wealthy because they created a product or service that is used by millions/billions of people. Jeff Bezos has made tens of thousands of millionaires. Employees thousands of people. All the ancillary businesses and services that use Amazon. Same for Microsoft. Walmart. Any other business.
Even mega rich hedge funders like Ken Griffith ($8 billion) have created thousands of millionaires and highly paid jobs. His talents are keeping pensions afloat so Grandma can enjoy her retirement.
$32,400 is how much you need to make a year to be part of the 1%. Guess what I'm not, and I'm guessing you'd have a difficult time finding many of your magical fry droppers that do.
At 40 hours a week that requires 15.534233807479062 per hour. How many fry cooks you know that get that many hours and make 15 dollars an hour?
I myself make roughly 27,426.308 a year living in the United States. So I don't quite make the cut either. In 2015 most recent I could find over 51% of us citizens made under 30,000 a year.
Being in the US does not come close to by default making you part of the 1%.
Besides, in truth it's more like the .001% or something like that which is the real problem. The 1% number is used to try and pull as many people as possible on the side of defending the status quo, when in truth they shouldn't even be mentioned in terms of a problem.
Something like 62 people are as wealthy as half the world combined. Those are the real problem individuals, and they are a lot less of the worlds population than 1%. 1% is only used to distract from them by trying to pretend that a 1% is somehow in the same class as them, which is ludicrous. The 1% have more in common with the poor than these people.
Assuming that 62 number is accurate that means half the worlds wealth is in hands of the top 0.00000008947368% of the current human population, that's a far cry from including the 1%...
Let's stop being distracted by the 1% and keep our eyes on the ball, which is less than 100 people in a world of over 7.6 Billion.
originally posted by: Puppylove
originally posted by: Edumakated
Pretty much anyone in America is part of the global 1%.... I always find these posts comical because the people that post them never acknowledge this fact. If you are in a modern western civilized country, by default you are part of the 1%, no matter how poor you may be by American / western civilization standards.
The reality is that there are a lot of dirt poor people living in backward sh*tholes globally. Anyone in America dropping fries at the local fast food joint makes a global 1% income (or pretty close). Some kid living in a favela in South America or some ghetto in Haiti would kill to have the standard of living of the poorest person in America.
There has always been wealth inequality. ALWAYS. I'd argue we've never had more wealth equality because pretty much anyone can make it. No longer are people trapped in a caste by birth, education, race, or anything. If you got the hustle, you can make it.
These posts also never mention all the wealth that is created as a result of the innovation of the billionaires. Most of them are entrepreneurs who became immensely wealthy because they created a product or service that is used by millions/billions of people. Jeff Bezos has made tens of thousands of millionaires. Employees thousands of people. All the ancillary businesses and services that use Amazon. Same for Microsoft. Walmart. Any other business.
Even mega rich hedge funders like Ken Griffith ($8 billion) have created thousands of millionaires and highly paid jobs. His talents are keeping pensions afloat so Grandma can enjoy her retirement.
$32,400 is how much you need to make a year to be part of the 1%. Guess what I'm not, and I'm guessing you'd have a difficult time finding many of your magical fry droppers that do.
At 40 hours a week that requires 15.534233807479062 per hour. How many fry cooks you know that get that many hours and make 15 dollars an hour?
I myself make roughly 27,426.308 a year living in the United States. So I don't quite make the cut either. In 2015 most recent I could find over 51% of us citizens made under 30,000 a year.
Being in the US does not come close to by default making you part of the 1%.
Besides, in truth it's more like the .001% or something like that which is the real problem. The 1% number is used to try and pull as many people as possible on the side of defending the status quo, when in truth they shouldn't even be mentioned in terms of a problem.
Something like 62 people are as wealthy as half the world combined. Those are the real problem individuals, and they are a lot less of the worlds population than 1%. 1% is only used to distract from them by trying to pretend that a 1% is somehow in the same class as them, which is ludicrous. The 1% have more in common with the poor than these people.
Assuming that 62 number is accurate that means half the worlds wealth is in hands of the top 0.00000008947368% of the current human population, that's a far cry from including the 1%...
Let's stop being distracted by the 1% and keep our eyes on the ball, which is less than 100 people in a world of over 7.6 Billion.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Edumakated
Corporations don't represent the will of the people, they represent their own interests. I'm speaking of corporate lobbying and I never said anything about unions or "other interest groups" so it seems you're arguing against a point I never made.
You do realize that a corporation is just a legal construct for shareholders (people).
originally posted by: Oldskool88
I know of people that are in managment within care homes yet are on only %5 above the minimum wage.
We see it all the time coperations paying the people that generate there coperations wealth as little as they can get away with, despite of huge profits.
I would say corporation greed and personal circumstance keeps many of hard working people into lower paid jobs. Lets not forget some people are scared of change or strughle with some of lifes challanges.
Its easy to say thats there fault but thats not a fair stand point. i believe anyone that works towards the society in which we live should be rewarded with a true liveable wage the minimum wage is barely a surviveable wage.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Oldskool88
I know of people that are in managment within care homes yet are on only %5 above the minimum wage.
Why? Why don't they open a care home and run it themselves, why work years at 5% above minimum? That is all they can do?
We see it all the time coperations paying the people that generate there coperations wealth as little as they can get away with, despite of huge profits.
Don't work there...end of story...
I would say corporation greed and personal circumstance keeps many of hard working people into lower paid jobs. Lets not forget some people are scared of change or strughle with some of lifes challanges.
Like what? Life changes from high school, life changes from moving from the town they were born in? "corporation greed" is an excuse to blame something other than oneself.
Its easy to say thats there fault but thats not a fair stand point. i believe anyone that works towards the society in which we live should be rewarded with a true liveable wage the minimum wage is barely a surviveable wage.
Living wage of what? Single person living on their own, a whole family cost? Living wage where four people can share all the cost?