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Richest one percent made 82% of wealth created last year: Oxfam

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posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Pretty much anyone in America is part of the global 1%.... I always find these posts comical because the people that post them never acknowledge this fact. If you are in a modern western civilized country, by default you are part of the 1%, no matter how poor you may be by American / western civilization standards.

The reality is that there are a lot of dirt poor people living in backward sh*tholes globally. Anyone in America dropping fries at the local fast food joint makes a global 1% income (or pretty close). Some kid living in a favela in South America or some ghetto in Haiti would kill to have the standard of living of the poorest person in America.

There has always been wealth inequality. ALWAYS. I'd argue we've never had more wealth equality because pretty much anyone can make it. No longer are people trapped in a caste by birth, education, race, or anything. If you got the hustle, you can make it.

These posts also never mention all the wealth that is created as a result of the innovation of the billionaires. Most of them are entrepreneurs who became immensely wealthy because they created a product or service that is used by millions/billions of people. Jeff Bezos has made tens of thousands of millionaires. Employees thousands of people. All the ancillary businesses and services that use Amazon. Same for Microsoft. Walmart. Any other business.

Even mega rich hedge funders like Ken Griffith ($8 billion) have created thousands of millionaires and highly paid jobs. His talents are keeping pensions afloat so Grandma can enjoy her retirement.


Wrong the US makes up over 4% of the world's pop. So the wealthy must be more wide spread that all of the US. I suspect it is the very very wealthy.




posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

So you don't think lobbying is an issue with our government? If you think it is then you aren't arguing against anything I'm saying.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MteWamp

Cheerleader?

Not only is lobbying bad, it is the bills they write that no one reads before voting for them.

The problem starts and stops with the dems and repubs. But the 2 party system is designed to play off each other and keep each side ( R and D's) bitching at each other while they steal the silverware.


Cheerleader! Ed ROCKS!

Rest assured, I've not yet BEGUN to defile myself.....

But yes, I absolutely agree. But again, not an easy problem to solve...

As a matter of fact, I'm beginning to wonder if you and I are gonna be able to come up with a good solution for these problems, at least in the time allotted by the hang time of a forum thread.


In all honesty, most of these problems make up a substantial portion of liberal vs conservative, or left vs right religious wars that have existed for many decades, you know?

They're interesting problems, and enjoyable debates, but it does get disheartening sometimes when the entire world seems to be doing nothing but sitting there spinning it's wheels, doesn't it?



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal

originally posted by: Edumakated
Pretty much anyone in America is part of the global 1%.... I always find these posts comical because the people that post them never acknowledge this fact. If you are in a modern western civilized country, by default you are part of the 1%, no matter how poor you may be by American / western civilization standards.

The reality is that there are a lot of dirt poor people living in backward sh*tholes globally. Anyone in America dropping fries at the local fast food joint makes a global 1% income (or pretty close). Some kid living in a favela in South America or some ghetto in Haiti would kill to have the standard of living of the poorest person in America.

There has always been wealth inequality. ALWAYS. I'd argue we've never had more wealth equality because pretty much anyone can make it. No longer are people trapped in a caste by birth, education, race, or anything. If you got the hustle, you can make it.

These posts also never mention all the wealth that is created as a result of the innovation of the billionaires. Most of them are entrepreneurs who became immensely wealthy because they created a product or service that is used by millions/billions of people. Jeff Bezos has made tens of thousands of millionaires. Employees thousands of people. All the ancillary businesses and services that use Amazon. Same for Microsoft. Walmart. Any other business.

Even mega rich hedge funders like Ken Griffith ($8 billion) have created thousands of millionaires and highly paid jobs. His talents are keeping pensions afloat so Grandma can enjoy her retirement.


Wrong the US makes up over 4% of the world's pop. So the wealthy must be more wide spread that all of the US. I suspect it is the very very wealthy.


The entire population isn't working...

According to this article, half of the richest 1% live in the US.

Only need to make $34.000 a year be part of the global 1%.

America is the Richest 1%

This is my point I made earlier...



Even the poorest people in many developed countries are wealthy by global standards - for example, the poorest five per cent of Americans earn on average the same as the richest five per cent of Indians"..

Let that sink in...



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Edumakated

So you don't think lobbying is an issue with our government? If you think it is then you aren't arguing against anything I'm saying.


I have an issue with lobbying... regardless of who does it. My point to you was that you can't say you don't like lobbying if someone like Jeff Bezo's does it, but then not have a problem if unions or other interest groups do it.

With that said, we are supposed to lobby politicians as they write laws that affect us all. How are they going to know what their constituency is thinking if they aren't being lobbied?



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: MteWamp

Actually no because he was arguing a completely separate point than what I was talking about.


Yeah, but on the other hand, he does get it, so hey, what can you do?
Ed ROCKS!



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:38 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Corporations don't represent the will of the people, they represent their own interests. I'm speaking of corporate lobbying and I never said anything about unions or "other interest groups" so it seems you're arguing against a point I never made.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:40 PM
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a reply to: MteWamp

Within certain parameters you are correct.

But this is about extreme wealth being vacuumed up in ways that the average person has zero access to or even understanding regarding the fullness and obscenity of it. The greediest are happy to make others suffer and actively work to "protect their interests " which doesn't include anyone outside their tight little circles.

They could solve a vast amount of the world's problems except for this, I don't know, spiritual illness? Brazen obesity of wealth to the point of criminal cruelty? And for what?? They can't take it with them. None of them can. And if they die with the most toys, what does it matter if their souls are lumps of stone?

"The first shall be last..." and all that.

Laziness isn't the problem for most people. It's flattened opportunity, debt, and not enough hours in the day to do more than stay afloat in the moment. And how many of those extremely wealthy people were born to it? They don't have to work at all, really. Not like the average person. What did they do to deserve that??

Sorry. I'm not ranting at you personally!! Just ranting!





posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 11:52 PM
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wealth is ok. the chasm between the uber-rich and everyone else is not. they are a disease. their greed is pathological and insane.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 12:12 AM
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The USA has been in an on and off state of feudalism since it was started. The Republicans are more aligned to feudalistic society than the Democrats.

Many are satisfied with having a job which provides the bare essentials of having roof over their head, enough food to eat and minimal luxuries. Today's economy is making even this difficult.

The US society will always have the rich, the owners, the military and the common citizens. The classes defined in that order.
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posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 02:05 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

Its all the NWO agenda and agenda 21 being implemented, they are in the home straight now.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 02:11 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

Watched a TV last night about this very subject last which was made in the the UK.

Even some of the super rich are saying this trend is not healthy in the long run.

A few even prophesied that they may find themselves confined to the own razor wire prison compounds before too long.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 02:45 AM
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a reply to: FHomerK

Says every peon who has fallen for their Lords lies.
Enjoying the scraps from the table they throw you are you.
We should follow the French example of what to do when so few hold so much.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: FHomerK

Says every peon who has fallen for their Lords lies.
Enjoying the scraps from the table they throw you are you.
We should follow the French example of what to do when so few hold so much.


I am a 1% and thats why I support social mobility and helping the poor (within reason) cause I know I am out numbered 100 to 1.

First way to fix it is end crony capitalism. As every Brit knows at the moment certain mega corps get "special" treatment".

A massive investment into education is needed too. Education = social mobility. We need 30% more teachers and TA's. A educated society is a wealthly society.
Scrap tuition fees for STEM degrees aswell.
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posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 03:10 AM
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originally posted by: RoScoLaz5
wealth is ok. the chasm between the uber-rich and everyone else is not. they are a disease. their greed is pathological and insane.



I am wealthy but not uber rich. I know a few who are.

In my experience those who are uber rich as you call them got there via cheating, corrupted and crony capitalism.

Of course there are exceptions......


Go to mayfair and you have Russian oligarchs who own a dozen flats who made there money via blackmarket deals and russian mafia involment after the USSR fell.
You have saudi oil barons driving gold plated lamboginis who sponser extremist mosques.
You have Bank CEO who deliberately ran banks into the ground and ran off with billions in tax payer money.......
You have company CEOs who use party donations to gain goverment contracts....


I am all for free market capitalism. But I despise crony capitalism.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 06:27 AM
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We need a system where work is rewarded instead of wealth.

Many say that poor people are workless and lazy, but the majority of poor people actually are working.

The mega-wealthy don't do any work, it's why they're dubbed 'the idle rich'. They have no work skills, no work experience, they have no such qualities to offer anyone, they only have money. Money that's been earned by other people.

The system rewards workless wealth, it supports the idle rich. Mega-wealthy shareholders taking almost all of the profits whilst the workers that made it possible get nothing. It's not ok.

Just remember, without work and workers there is no wealth or wealthy.

By the way, if the public keep on putting very wealthy people into and in charge of politics then don't expect things to change any time soon, most of them have conflicting interests and enter politics to further their own personal interests instead of for wider social benefit.



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 07:12 AM
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posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 07:12 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

I know despite your leanings sometimes you have a more nuanced view on things, how about we take a pg from Northern socialist societies like say Norway or Denmark, drop the fear mongering driven by greed, yes there Is a place for capitalism, I'm a capitalist but I want a more equitable and just society.
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posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

Solutions?

Hang that greedy scum higher!

Because there are all problems the world and it´s citizens suffer from originated.
At the little club of ultra rich greedy, morally degenerated scum that has to rob everybody else outside their caste to get richer and richer!

But slaves nowadays seem to love their chains and won´t revolt, as long they think that somebody out there in the world is a bit poorer than themselves, so the slaves can feel noble by comparison to the more poor being...



posted on Jan, 22 2018 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: seasonal

I know despite your leanings sometimes you have a more nuanced view on things, how about we take a pg from Northern socialist societies like say Norway or Denmark, drop the fear mongering driven by greed, yes there Is a place for capitalism, I'm a capitalist but I want a more equitable and just society.


correct, we need to look around the world and put into use what is working


But if this comes to pass the person responsible for the change will have an accident.



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