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posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 10:59 PM
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Here is what I would like your opinion on.

I think President Trump wanted the government shutdown. The people will be all over congress to get the bill passed, and then Trump will have his wall. It is all speculation of coarse, but with the MSM being what it is today I think it is worth a thought, or at least a lesson in politics.

I am interested in your thoughts about what will happen before the Governments opens back up.

What will be in this new Bill?

I think Daca will make it into the bill. I could be wrong though. I



www.reuters.com...




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump and Republican lawmakers were locked in a standoff with Democrats on Saturday over the U.S. government shutdown, with Republicans saying they would not negotiate on immigration until the government is reopened.




Both Republicans and Democrats had dug in during the day, each side blaming the other.



Now I do have a question that I would like an answer to. Why don't the Dem's give President Trump the wall? It will create a tremendous upside for our economy and there is no downside to the wall. It would offer more security whether you like the idea of a wall or not. And, and, and, Trump would agree to the DACA terms. It would be a win for both sides. I know they will not though. It is because they care more about not giving Trump his wall than they do for the people caught up in DACA. Unless you can prove me other wise.

Thx. 3DG




posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone


We won't see DACA until 2019 at the earliest.

Why would the dems give Trump another win?

They (the dems) need something toe campaign against, if they don't, they might lose more seats in 2018.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 3daysgone


We won't see DACA until 2019 at the earliest.

Why would the dems give Trump another win?

They (the dems) need something toe campaign against, if they don't, they might lose more seats in 2018.


I hope we may see the reappearing of more Kennedy like dems run for office. They sure have come a long way from ask not what your country can do for you.


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posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:10 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone


The democrat party is leaning so far left that Stalin would be right-winged compared to them.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:12 PM
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Chuck Schumer said trump wrote a number down and they agreed to it. Then a few hours later trump took the deal off the table. So someone's playing games.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
Chuck Schumer said trump wrote a number down and they agreed to it. Then a few hours later trump took the deal off the table. So someone's playing games.


Like I said, I think Trump wanted the Government to shutdown. A power move for sure. How do you think it is going to turn out?



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 3daysgone


The democrat party is leaning so far left that Stalin would be right-winged compared to them.


Once a gauge moves so far left it usually ends up on Empty.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone
there is no downside to the wall.


it's absolutely terrible for the wildlife.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: fiverx313

It would probably be less than 300 feet of disturbance along the border, not that much really.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

Maybe they don't want the tunnels to be discovered.




posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

At first, TRUMP said that Mexico will pay for it. Now that doesn't look like it's happening.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 3daysgone


We won't see DACA until 2019 at the earliest.

Why would the dems give Trump another win?

They (the dems) need something toe campaign against, if they don't, they might lose more seats in 2018.


I hope we may see the reappearing of more Kennedy like dems run for office. They sure have come a long way from ask not what your country can do for you.

That you may never see. The Progressive Liberals have completely taken over The Kennedys' Democratic Party. Thus the Democratic Party will continue becoming irrelevant as time progresses .The real Democrats (as I call them , the True Blue Democrats) are moving towards a conservative (or at least a central) point of view in an attempt to isolate themselves from the madness of the Liberals. This was evidenced in the recent elections starting in 2010 and 2012 and gaining momentum through the Presidential Election .
Spoken from a once Liberal , True Blue Democrat.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: 3daysgone
there is no downside to the wall.


it's absolutely terrible for the wildlife.

Wildlife meaning Illegal Immigrants coming into the US illegally ? Violent street gangs , rapists , murderers ? We already had enough of that type of "wildlife" without outside intervention.
You dont put much forethought into some of your posts , do you ?
R , is that you ?

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posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 11:57 PM
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Why don't the Dem's give President Trump the wall?

Schumer reportedly put the Wall option on the table during these negotiations but clearly that didn't go through (HERE).

And remember the infamous "s-hole" meeting? The Senate's #2 Democrat went to that meeting with Republican Senator Lindsey Graham with the intention of working on that issue (HERE):

In recounting events, Mr. Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, who has been pushing to protect young immigrants for nearly two decades, noted that he had a promising telephone call with Mr. Trump hours before last week’s meeting. Then he was invited to join Mr. Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a longtime advocate of an immigration law overhaul, at the White House for what they believed was a session to complete a bipartisan agreement to protect the young immigrants known as Dreamers in exchange for new border security and other immigration law changes.


So I think you're asking the wrong question here.
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posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: 3daysgone
there is no downside to the wall.


it's absolutely terrible for the wildlife.


That is quiet the stretch.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: 3daysgone



Why don't the Dem's give President Trump the wall?

Schumer reportedly put the Wall option on the table during these negotiations but clearly that didn't go through (HERE).

And remember the infamous "s-hole" meeting? The Senate's #2 Democrat went to that meeting with Republican Senator Lindsey Graham with the intention of working on that issue (HERE):

In recounting events, Mr. Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, who has been pushing to protect young immigrants for nearly two decades, noted that he had a promising telephone call with Mr. Trump hours before last week’s meeting. Then he was invited to join Mr. Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a longtime advocate of an immigration law overhaul, at the White House for what they believed was a session to complete a bipartisan agreement to protect the young immigrants known as Dreamers in exchange for new border security and other immigration law changes.


So I think you're asking the wrong question here.


You may be right. Would the question be what did Trump want on the immigration bill?

But all your source said was that Schumer said he offered to discuss the border wall, but that is far from putting it in this bill.
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posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:11 AM
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The Dems are Really For the " Wall " , but being Socialist Bastids ,they want something in Return for Free . " DACA " Represents Future Democratic Voters , so they Insist that as a Condition on Any Deal with the Reps . Meanwhile , the American People Watch all this from the Sidelines and seem Helpless in having Any Say in what Policies our Government Decides on about their Futures . Sucks for Us , Yes ?



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:12 AM
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originally posted by: lostbook
a reply to: 3daysgone

At first, TRUMP said that Mexico will pay for it. Now that doesn't look like it's happening.


Well he has to get it approved first. Then I am sure he will try to find a way for Mexico to pay for it.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:15 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: 3daysgone

The Dems are Really For the " Wall " , but being Socialist Bastids ,they want something in Return for Free . " DACA " Represents Future Democratic Voters , so they Insist that as a Condition on Any Deal with the Reps . Meanwhile , the American People Watch all this from the Sidelines and seem Helpless in having Any Say in what Policies our Government Decides on about their Futures . Sucks for Us , Yes ?


I don't know if it sucks or not. I have always found the less government is involved the better.



posted on Jan, 21 2018 @ 12:20 AM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

I think they want that stupid wall, no relief for any of the "Dreamers" (DACA recipients included), an end to all sanctuary city laws, and to deport all illegal immigrants and their families (whether they're legal immigrants, citizens, or not). But that's the long term goal. The goal with this specific continuing resolution seems to be the wall & harsher immigration laws, with no relief for the DACA recipients. But Democrats won't budge on the DACA situation.

It helps to know that there was a continuing resolution passed at the last minute on Dec 7th which averted a govt shutdown. It got bipartisan support. There was another continuing resolution passed at the last minute on Dec 20-something which also averted a govt shutdown. Democrats initially held out for a DACA fix & CHIP funding then, but eventually they caved. Republican Senator Flake was even led to believe that McConnell would put a DACA bill up for a vote this month before this current continuing resolution "crisis". From this Dec 20th article (HERE):

So if DACA doesn’t need to be taken care of now, when does Congress need to act on it?

Ask Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), one of the Republicans who’s been pushing to legalize DACA recipients, and he’ll tell you mid-January — in advance of yet another funding deadline, and the timeline he claims he’s gotten the office of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to agree to for a vote.

Sound familiar? This article was a month ago and yet people here are pretending that this is all some new unforseen situation. And surprise surprise, McConnell never held the vote. That's why Democrats are taking a stand this time. 3 continuing resolutions in less than 7 weeks yet Republicans refused to even put it up for a vote. And remember, they've had bipartisan support to pass a CHIP extension since at least last Sept but they've refused to put that up for a vote, either.



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