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Pakistan will be failed state by 2015: CIA

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posted on Jul, 4 2005 @ 05:44 AM
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The Times of India is not a silly taboloid as many assume. Its a trustworthy source and is the WORLD's most read ENGLISH newspaper.

And Vagabond..sure i am on the Hindu nationalist side of Indian politics .. but heck i cant vote yet...i a just turned 15.

Pakistan is an internationally known proliferator of nuclear weapons to Iran, North Korea(exchanged for ballistic missile tech)& Libya. Pakistan itself got its nukes by getting the tech robbed from a Dutch facility and was mated with Chinese bomb design. There is no shortage of links on the internet (both indian & international) that confirm this.
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Pakistan is currently IMO the world's largest sponsor of islamic terrorism into India's state of Jammu & Kashmir as it is incapable of facing India in a war.














Photographs of slain islamic terrorists sponsored by pakistan killed by the Indian Army
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[edit on 4-7-2005 by Stealth Spy]




posted on Jul, 4 2005 @ 05:54 AM
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First of all, my apologies for making such a large quote. However it is only a fraction of the original article. I have selected and posted the sections that were very important and related to the topic at hand.



By the early 80s, Pakistan had successfully completed their nuclear programme and evidence suggests that they had the bomb. And it is based on the fact that a decision, to go ahead with the strategy of making India bleed through a thousand cuts was taken during this period.

Now where did they decide to impose the first cut? The first cut was imposed in the Northeast. In 1971, when India won the war with Pakistan, Mujib-ur- Rehman came into power in Bangladesh, totally pro-India so no insurgency groups were given sanctuary in Bangladesh. Consequently, between the periods from 1972 to 1977, there was total peace and quiet in the Northeast. Number of accords including Mizoram and Nagaland related accords were signed.

With the assassination of Mujib-ur-Rehman, military government came to power in Bangladesh. At the same time, there was the birth of ULFA and the NSCN coming into being from the old Naga Federal Army and insurgency activities started picking up. When one examines the facts, then one finds linkages between then Bangladeshi intelligence and Pakistani intelligence agencies. Money flowing, sanctuaries being given, weapons being purchased and insurgency being fostered and supported. So the first experiment was tried out in the Northeast, commencing from the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Having started off things over there, they decided the next place to try was Punjab. So Bhindranwale group was used and Punjab went up in flames. Again, dates are far too coincidental. The fact known is that Punjab insurgency was definitely supported from across the border by Pakistan ISI.

By the mid 1980s, the process of indoctrination had also started among the youth of Jammu and Kashmir, but Kashmir centric, not Jammu centric. They were taken across to Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, indoctrinated and many of them pushed into Afghanistan where they gained experience.

Having tried their hand in Afghanistan, in other areas - Northeast and Punjab, then the Pakistanis decided that now is the right time to start insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir. One finds the first pangs of terrorism after indoctrination and training of youth completed, starting in 1987-88. Pakistan game plan for Kashmir was try and make it appear as a local uprising. There were adequate grounds for political dissatisfaction. To counter any attempt by India they had the nuclear weapon and correctly postured conventional forces. So one finds Kashmir uprising starting off in 1989 and finally in 1990 Army was deployed. By about 1992-93 the so-called Kashmiri rebellion or insurgency had been brought to a stand still by joint operations by security agencies. Pakistan realised it and changed their strategy.


What changes did they make?
(a) They felt that the Kashmiris did not have the heart to continue the struggle and with the Afghanistan battle against the Soviet Russia over, a large number of battle hardened Jihadis were available. So they started pushing in foreign mercenaries from Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Middle East and other Muslim countries.

(b) To try and extend the insurgency to the areas South of the Pir Panjal into the Jammu region especially into the Muslim dominated belt, which is the area North of the river Chenab. This area has very little Kashmiri population; therefore predominantly foreign mercenary related activities were started.

(c) Ethnic cleansing to force a demographic change and therefore Kashmiri pundits were targeted. This led to the migration of 4,50,000 Kashmiri pundits from the Valley. They are now living in camps in Jammu, Delhi and other parts of India.

So these became the basic ingredients of the strategy along with continued deterrence through nuclear weapon. This raised the level of terrorism.


Proxy War

With increasing presence of foreign mercenaries, it was no more locally sponsored and hence could not be called an insurgency but a proxy war, because it is a war waged by Pakistan through cannon fodder that they call Jihadis.

By 1996, the situation had been brought under control, consequent to which it was possible to hold elections. The present Chief Minister came into power. Irrespective of the voting percentage, the fact remains it was possible to hold elections. And people did come out to vote, because they wanted to. A Kashmiri is that way highly politically conscious and therefore wanted to express his needs through the realm of politics. Situation had more or less stabilized.

In 1998, prior to Kargil, tourism in Kashmir, which is a recorded fact, was higher than even the pre-1988 figures. Bookings were made for 1999 in 1998; all hotels were overbooked for 1999. That was the degree of control brought in the situation. Pakistan was totally frustrated and that frustration was the reason for Kargil Intrusion.

Aims were probably to bring it back to international headlines, bring in Western interference, defeat the Indian Army decisively to avenge the 1971 defeat and Siachen, cut of the rest of Ladakh from Kashmir region and to upgrade the level of terrorism in the Valley. Because of Kargil, a lot of Security Forces got sucked in from the Kashmir Valley and Jammu Region to deal with the intrusion. Therefore, it was easier for terrorists to infiltrate across the Line of Control and come into the Kashmir Region.

So from August 1999 onwards, after Op Vijay, there was a distinct change in the type and pattern of terrorism with a large number of foreigners being infiltrated. These were better trained, equipped and with a more do or die mentality. So the quality of the proxy war then onwards bore a different complexion.

However, not withstanding that, by June 2000, this had been totally countered. The Kashmiri desperately wanted peace and they pressurized Hizbul Mujahideen into announcing a cease-fire. The Hizbul Mujahideen is perhaps the only major terrorist group, which has majority Kashmiri content. This cease-fire was the expression of the locals who were fed up with violence and wanted to see peace and stability, which found considerable support amongst the local terrorists also.

What do you find thereafter? Pakistan put pressure on Syed Salahuddin, Chief of Hizbul Mujahideen, held hostage by Pakistan Army and ISI, because it was not to their liking and he buckled. In order to break the cease-fire, on night 01/02 August there were six massacres all over Jammu and Kashmir, in which more than 100 people were killed mercilessly by the terrorists on orders from Pakistan. With a combination of these massacres and Salahuddin backing out, cease-fire automatically broke.

This resulted in Pakistan becoming even more wary of the Kashmiri terrorists and it led to greater numbers of Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Harkat-Ul-Mujahideen cadres, which are completely foreign mercenary based, being inducted into J&K to take over the terrorism mantle.

Thereafter, operations again resumed and pressure was brought on to the terrorists. The number of terrorists killed in the 11 months of the year 2000 was the highest till since this problem began. Thereafter, as a gesture to the people of the State who desperately wanted peace, Central Government initiated the unilateral Non-Initiation of Combat Operations commencing with the Ramzan month, that is, end of November last year.

Every person in J&K as well as in POK welcomed the peace initiative. But with Pakistan feeling that India has pulled the carpet under its feet, while showing a humane face to the world, directed the foreign mercenaries to step up the attacks on the grass root level political workers, civilians, local Police, in addition to the Security Forces.

As part of this initiative, all political parties in J&K were invited by the Central Government to put across their point of view to the Governments interlocutor, Mr KC Pant. But the secessionist All Party Hurriyat Conference did not participate due to pressures from Pakistan and its mercenaries in J&K. With little progress made to bring back peace in J&K, on 23 May, Indian Government called of the unilateral Non Initiation of Combat Operations and also invited General Musharraf for talks to India.

The much hyped Agra Summit between Mr Atal Behari Vajapayee, Prime Minister of India and President Musharraf was held at Agra between 14-16 July 01. In keeping with the Pakistan's obsession, General Musharraf again parroted Kashmir, Kashmir and only Kashmir. This finally led to the creation of impasse and failure of the talks between the two sides. As expected, Pakistan ordered increase in terrorist activities in J&K.

Who are there Present Targets
Democratically multicultural societies are the prime targets of terrorism and are also the most vulnerable to its attacks. Terrorists have exploited the civil liberties, religious tolerance and cultural diversity of India. They seek to destroy our democratic fabric by fomenting sectarian divisions and cultural tensions and ultimately deprive us of that very freedom which they have exploited.

It is also a fact, often ignored, that the sponsorship, bases and finances for terrorism come from totalitarian military or theocratic regimes, this is a worldwide phenomenon, which cannot be ignored. They nurture and support extremist terrorist groups to further their political agenda. In turn, these groups make themselves indispensable to these regimes by maintaining the focus on external campaigns and diverting attention from the inadequacies of their internal systems.

In Kashmir the terrorists are mindlessly slaughtering innocent people, targeting Security Forces, destroying infrastructure, with the aim to degrade the status of elected J&K Government and there by come into lime light. By perpetuating violence they aim to prove that it is their writ which runs and they are the ones who call the shot. Aim is to terrorize the local population and make them submit to meet their requirements.

VARIOUS TERRORIST GROUPS OPERATING IN JAMMU & KASHMIR

Hizbul Mujahideen
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Of all the terrorist outfits operating in the State of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K), the Hizb-ul Mujahideen is the largest, with a cadre base drawn from indigenous and foreign sources. Pakistani reports estimate that it controls about 60 per cent of terrorists operating in the State.

This outfit has come into the spotlight when the "chief commander (Operations)" Abdul Majeed Dar made a conditional offer of cease-fire at a press conference in Srinagar on July 24. The endorsement of this offer by the group's supremo Syed Salaudin alias Pir Sahib, followed in an Islamabad press conference on July 25.

The Hizb-ul Mujahideen was founded in 1989 as the militant wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami, a socio-cultural and religious organisation of Jammu and Kashmir. It was originally termed Al Badr but was soon renamed as the Hizb-ul Mujahideen. The Jamaat-e-Islami is reported to have set up this terrorist front at the prodding of ISI, as an Islamic counter to the JKLF, which is secular terrorist outfit with an indigenous cadre base. The Hizb-ul Mujahideen stands for the integration of J&K with Pakistan.

Some of the important office bearers in the organization are :-
(a) Commander in Chief - Mohd Yusuf Shah
(b) Working Chief - Ali Mohd Dar
(c) Chief Organizer - Abdul Nahid Sheikh
(d) Chief of Operations - Gazi Naseeruddin

Earlier Hizb-ul Mujahideen had established contacts with Afghan mujahideen groups under which its cadre received arms training. Its present strength is an estimated 500-600 terrorist. Since 1997, this group has been operating in tandem with them Lashkar- e-Toiba Most of the activities of the organization are planned and controlled by Pakistan. The headquarter of Hizb is located in Pakistan Muzaffarabad, with the orders being relayed to the executors in the Valley. The ideology behind the armed struggle is merger of Jammu and Kashmir with Pakistan through armed struggle. The area of operation of the group spreads across the valley with a higher concentration in Rajwad, Lolab, Bandipore, Sopore, Ganderbal, Kulgam and Kokernag area.

Jaish-e-Mohammad
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The Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) is a relatively new terrorist outfit, compared to other major outfits active in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K). Like the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), the JeM too is an outfit formed, controlled and manned by Pakistan. The outfit was launched on January 31, 2000, by Maulana Masood Azhar in Karachi after he was released from an Indian jail during the terrorists for hostage swap of December 31, 1999, following the hijacking of the Indian Airlines Flight IC 814. He was also reported to have received assistance in setting up the JeM from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the then Taliban regime in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden and several Sunni sectarian outfits of Pakistan.

There are no reports of any formal governing bodies or councils within the outfit.

Unconfirmed reports indicate that the prominent office bearers of the organisation include :-
(a) Commander in chief - Maulana Masood Azhar
(b) Deputy Chief - Mustaq Ahmed Zargar
(c) Ameer - Maulana Umer Farooq
(d) Chief Commander of J&K - Abu Hizrat

The Jaish-e-Mohammed has largely confined its operations within J&K. The only recorded instance of its operations outside J&K has been the December 13, 2001, Parliament attack in New Delhi. However, several of its cadre have, on occasions been arrested or killed by security forces in states other than J&K.

The outfit is closely linked, through the Binoria Madrassah in Karachi, with the former Taliban regime of Afghanistan and its protégé, Osama bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda. JeM chief, Masood Azhar was released by Indian authorities in Kandahar and has reportedly met Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan on various occasions. The JeM is also reported to have links with Sunni terrorist outfits operating in Pakistan such as the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ).

The masterminds of JeM operate from their headquarter in Islamabad. Although less in strength and composition than HM with 225 - 250 cadres, the content of foreign terrorists is exceptionally high ranging between 75 - 80%. The concentration of the group has been to give a fillip to the waning state of militancy in J&K by carrying out spectacular violent activities. The entire state of J&K has presence of Jaish terrorists with particular concentration in Srinagar, Anantnag and Baramulla districts.

Lashkar-e-Toiba
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Formed in 1990 in the Kunar province of Afghanistan, the Lashkar-e-Toiba is the military wing of the Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad (MDI), an Islamic fundamentalist organisation of the Ahle-Hadith sect in Pakistan. Based in Muridke near Lahore, Pakistan it is headed by Prof. Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, the Amir of the LeT. It has been reorganized into two independent wings- one exclusively devoted to preaching of Islam with Prof Hafiz Muhammad Saeed as its chief and the other to carry on its violent campaign in Kashmir under the leadership of Kashmiri scholar Maulana Abdul Wahid Kashmiri.

It was actively promoted by Pakistan's external intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), since 1996. This support was more so after another outfit, the Harkat-ul-Ansar) was declared as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation by the US in 1997.
The LeT's professed ideology goes beyond merely challenging India's sovereignty over the State of Jammu and Kashmir. The Lashkar's 'agenda', includes the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India. Further, the outfit propagates a narrow Islamist fundamentalism preached by its mentor, the MDI. It seeks to bring about a union of all Muslim majority regions in countries that surround Pakistan. The operations in the valley are executed by the 300 - 350 cadres. Of the composition, around 75 - 80% consist of foreign terrorists, in possession of sophisticated weapons.

LeT has shifted all its facilities and offices to PoK and the outfit has formed a new General Council under the leadership of Maulana Abdul Wahid Kashmiri, with Mr. Zaki ur Rehman Lakhwi as the 'Supreme Commander' within Jammu & Kashmir. Other members of the the General Council are - Mr. Abdullah of Anantnag (Islamabad) - Mr.Haji Mohammad Azam of Poonch - Mr. Muzammil Butt of Doda - Mr. Mohammad Umair of Baramullah - Mr. Chaudhri Abdullah Khalid Chauhan of Bagh - Mr. Rafiq Akhtar of Muzaffarabad - Mr. Aftab Hussain of Kotli - Mr. Faisal Dar of Srinagar - Mr. Chaudhri Yusuf of Mirpur - Mr. Maulana Mohammad Sharif Balghari of Baltistan - Mr. Raja Mohammad Irshad Advocate - Mr. Masood Lone Advocate. Its mercenaries are organised at district levels with 'district commanders' in charge. Within Pakistan, the outfit has a network of training camps and branch offices, which undertake recruitment and collection of finances.

While the primary area of operations of the Lashkar-e-Toiba's terrorist activities is the Kashmir valley, the outfit is also active in the Jammu region besides having undertaken isolated attacks in other parts of India. The Lashkar is reported to have conducted several of its major operations in tandem with the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. In Kashmir, the major areas of operation are Lolab valley of Kupwara sector, Rajwar area of Handwara sector, Beeru belt of Badgam sector and Lar-Ganderbal area of Srinagar sector. The LeT was also reported to have been directed by the ISI to widen its network in the Jammu region where a considerable section of the populace comprised Punjabis. The LeT that has a large number of activists who hail from Pakistani Punjab can thus effectively penetrate into Jammu society.

The Lashkar-e-Toiba was created to participate in the Mujahideen conflict against the Najibullah regime in Afghanistan. In the process, the outfit developed deep linkages with Afghanistan and has several Afghan nationals in its cadre. The outfit had also cultivated links with the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan and also with Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network.

Al-Badr
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The name Al-Badr was revived for use by the Pakistan and Afghan cadres of the Hizbul Mujahideen in the summer of 1998. Its formation came about as a result of growing differences between Kashmiri-origin cadre of the Hizb, and the insurgents pumped in by Pakistan, over issues such as leadership, funding and the direction of their activities. The final break came after the Jamaat-e-Kashmir Amir G.M. Bhat called for an end to armed struggle, a move which incensed the Hizbul Mujahideen's foreign cadres.

Early efforts to give Al-Badr a Kashmiri face by recruiting Majid Dar, failed. Its leadership is now wholly Pakistani. Its commander-in-chief, Nasser Ahmed, and supreme commander, Bhakt Zaman, are both residents of Peshawar. The Chief Commander in the Valley is Arfeen Bhai. In 1999, because of the nature of its cadre, the Lashkar-e-Toiba announced it would work closely with this organisation. Al-Badr has rejected the Hizbul Mujahideen's peace initiative.

The headquarter of the organization is based in Manshera in Pakistan. The organisation is, however, relatively small, with less than 150 operatives estimated to be active in Jammu and Kashmir at any given time. The majority of the terrorists in the organization again constitute of foreign insurgents. The terrorists are mostly concentrated in the hinterland and are involved in insurgency activities in Kupwara, Anantnag and Baramulla districts.

Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen
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The Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen (JuM) was the first breakaway faction of the Hizbul Mujahideen, and was born out of personality clashes between Ahsan Dar and Hilal Ahmed Mir, who died some years ago in an encounter. It had some successes until 1996, but despite executing a series of bomb blasts directed at National Conference (NC) leaders, it was soon marginalised. The JuM's other key enemy was the All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC), which, it felt, had no right to represent the insurgents in Jammu and Kashmir. Several JuM leaders were eliminated in a series of operations after 1996, leaving its cadre disorganised and increasingly fragmented.

It is a pro-Pakistan group responsible for elimination of Kashmiri scholars and social workers. With Maulana Masood leading the pack, the group has majority of foreign terrorists as operatives.

Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami, Harkat-ul-Ansar and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
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The Harkat ul-Ansar was formed by the merger of two Pakistani groups, Harkat ul-Jihad al-Islami and Harkat ul-Mujahedin, and led by Maulana Saadatullah Khan. The merger of these two political groups and its transformation into a militant group came about as part of the Afghan jihad.

With a pan-Islamic ideology, the outfit strove to achieve the secession of Jammu and Kashmir from India through violent means and its eventual merger with Pakistan. About 60 per cent of its estimated 1000 strong cadre were Pakistanis and Afghans.

The Harkat-ul-Ansar was termed a terrorist organization by the US due to its association with the exiled Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden in 1997. To avoid the repercussions of the US ban, the group was recast as the Harkat ul-Mujahideen in 1998.

Based in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistan occupied Kashmir; the Harkat ul-Ansar has participated in insurgent and terrorist operations in Kashmir. In Kashmir, the outfit had carried out several operations against Indian troops besides attacks on civilian targets. In the process, several of its top leaders including Masood Azhar (General Secretary and top ideologue), Sajjad Afghani (Commander of the Harkat ul-Ansar in Jammu and Kashmir) and Nasarullah Manzoor Langaryal (commander of the erstwhile Harkat-ul Mujaheedin), were captured by Indian security forces.

With all these arrests, the outfit gradually lost its influence in the State's militancy. The outfit's controlling body, Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) also ensured that most of the cadre were transferred to the Lashkar-e-Toiba, which gradually enlarged the latter's role in the State's militancy.

The US ban made it difficult for the Harkat-ul-Ansar's Pakistani sponsors to continue their support. Fund raising activities in Western countries too were affected. Hence, the Harkat-ul-Ansar was officially closed and a new militant outfit Harkat ul-Mujahideen was formed.

Masood Azhar and Umar Saeed Sheikh were released along with Mushtak Ahmed Zargar, commander of the Al Umar, a militant group with a predominantly Kashmiri cadre base in December 1999. The demand for the release of Zargar appeared to be a ploy to convey the impression that the hijacking was conducted for the sake of Kashmiris rather than foreign militants.

With the near total loss of its top leadership, the cadre base and Pakistani sponsorship, the Harkat-ul-Ansar appears to have collapsed and is no longer active in the State's insurgency.

Tehreek Jihad-e-Islami, Muslim Janbaaz Force and Al-Jihad Force
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Nazir Ahmed Wani formed the People's League in September 1974 as a political organisation. But rapidly it gave birth to a welter of terrorist groups. In 1979, its leaders formulated a three-year plan for an uprising against the Indian government. In 1988, its leader Abdul Aziz Sheikh returned to the State from Pakistan, and began organising cadre for armed action. Later that year, however, the League split with Shabbir Shah and S. Hamid forming the now-defunct Muslim Janbaaz Force, while Sheikh and Mohammad Farooq Rehmani set up the Tehreek Jihad-e-Islami.
Most of the Tehreek's cadre joined the Hizbul Mujahideen by 1993, although the mediator in the negotiations between the Hizb and the Union government, Fazl-ul-Haq Qureishi, tried to revive the organisation along with Rehmani in January 1994. The Hizbul Mujahideen's Majid Dar knew Qureishi during his Tehreek days. Hamid, after years of inactivity, attempted to set up a new organisation, Al-Jihad, provoking another split, with Firdaus Ahmed Baba alias Babar Badr setting up a new faction of the Muslim Janbaaz Force. Hamid was killed in an encounter last year. Al-Jihad emerged as the second largest unit in the Kashmir Valley for a while, but was wiped out by 1994, in part as a result of power struggles within the Hizbul Mujahideen. Qureishi went to jail and emerged years later, alienated from the war he helped begin. His role in the peace efforts illustrates the respect with which he continues to be held.

Out side support
The terrorism in Kashmir commenced to be sponsored in the early sixties. The entire operation was planned in Pakistan with aim of annexation of Kashmir, to wage a covert war in J&K while fomenting trouble in other parts of India, their by degrading India's conventional capability by keeping her embroiled in fighting covert war.

Proof of Pakistan's Involvement
Pakistan's support to terrorism in Kashmir becomes even more clearer after a statement given by president Pervez Musharraf during his speech at UN general assembly meeting in New York on 24 September 2003, where he offered to encourage a general cessation of violence within Kashmir, in return for reciprocal obligations and restraints from India's side. Pakistan has used every available opportunity to internationalise the Kashmir issue. It has also speared no efforts to table the Kashmir issues in UN whenever it got an opportunity.

In December 1999: George Tenet, Director of CIA and Michael Sheen. State Department Coordinator for Counter Terrorism Michael Sheen testified before a Senate Sub-Committee that US intelligence has sufficient evidence that Pakistan is a state-sponsor of terrorism against India.

Further in 2000, the State Dept's report on terrorism described Pak's official involvement in terrorism against India. But fell short of adding Pak to list of countries sponsoring terrorism because that would have triggered severe sanctions against an old cold-war ally.

November 2001: According to Benazir Bhutto, former Prime Minister of Pakistan: Non-Kashmiris engaged in killings in India are terrorists. Pakistani intelligence agency (ISI) is a force onto itself and she had no knowledge of what ISI was doing, let alone controlling it as prime minister.

"It offers the Pak Army the opportunity of the century to redeem its honour and taken revenge of Dhaka. Kargil, Kashmir, Punjab are all about paying India back for pakistan's 1971 defeat".
Lt Gen (Retd) Javed Nasir
Former Chief of ISI
Chairman
Pak Gurdawara Prabandhak
Committee (PGPC)
June 2001

"We have gained a lot because our offensive continues (in Kashmir). This is a psychological and political offensive. The Indian Army is fully trapped and is vulnerable. Therefore, Pakistan enjoys relative security".
Lt Gen (Retd) Hamid Gul
Former Chief of ISI
Presently Adviser to
Gen Pervez Musharraf on
Kashmir Affairs
July 2001

"The international campaign against terrorism is incomplete unless it is addressed in Jammu and Kashmir."
Robert Blackwill
US Ambassador to India
03 December 2002

The Contours of Pakistan Support
All policies and orders to all terrorist groups are controlled by Pakistan Army, through the ISI. Orders for raising a terrorist group, their organization, their training and even the minutest details are vetted by the ISI. The terrorists groups are funded, trained in camps and thereafter all orders including targets to strike also comes from the ISI. Orders come from Pakistan either through satellite phone, on email, telephone and also the Embassy in Delhi.

So all policy, planning, orgainsation, training, provision of weapons, equipment, funds and thereafter supporting infiltration is done by Pakistan Army and ISI. For infiltration, the terrorists are brought upto a Pakistani Army post and thereafter launched. In the old days, Pakistanis used to fire at us in order to cover their infiltration, however, the firing is not mandatory, as now even without firing they are trying to come through. Lastly the propaganda all over the world on the Kashmir issue.

Based on the information available from satellite photographs, interrogation of terrorists captured/surrendered, captured documents, human intelligence and electronic intercepts, currently 65 to 85 terrorists camp by established by Pakistan functioning in POK/Pakistan. As of now, Opposite the Valley, about 2000 terrorists are ready to infiltrate. Approximately, the same number are opposite the Jammu Region and about 500 to 600 opposite Ladhak Region.

Funding of terrorism
The aspect to be understood is that support for terrorism in J&K is not due to any love for Pakistan but it has become more or less an industry. The foreign terrorists are infiltrated for a tenure of one year. They are paid Rupees two lakhs prior to induction and three lakhs on return. Funds for the Proxy War are provided mainly from Islamic countries and the narcotics trade. ISI is known to be a big time collaborator in the narcotics trade amounting to $ 2 - 3 Bn annually. A local terrorist is paid upto Rs 5,000/- per month and foreign terrorists Rs. 10,000/-. The terrorists are also rewarded for major actions like for killing a Major or equivalent of the Security Forces, Rs 50,000/- is given as reward. Rs 50 crores have been given by Pakistan as ex-gratia payment to kin of slain terrorists.

To the porters, Rs 10,000/- is paid for an ammunition box that he carries across the Line of Control. He is normally in a position to carry up to four ammunition boxes. Therefore, in just one trip a porter makes across Line of Control, even though there is danger to his life, he makes Rs 40,000/-. If he does four trips in a month, he has made Rs 1,60,000 which is lot of money in this part of the world.

The guides are paid Rs 10,000 per man he takes across the Line of Control. If he has taken 10 people across, he makes a lakh of rupees per trip. Therefore terrorism in J&K is a Blue Chip industry. When the problem is being resolved this industry would have to be taken care of prior to solving the Kashmir issue.

Weapons and Equipment Provided by Pakistan to the Terrorists
Terrorists are being provided with sophisticated weapons and equipment by Pakistan including missiles, rockets and state of the art communication systems. Till now approximately 40,000 weapons including Assault rifles, Machine Gun, Rocket Launchers, Sniper rifles, Mortor, and Pistols have been recovered. 58381 Grenades, 33681 kgs of explosive have also been recovered from the terrorists, which are enough to equip more than two Army divisions. Satellite phones and large scale use of computers for email is on the rise.

Number of Terrorists Killed and Apprehended
More than 16,982 terrorists have been killed in the State since 1990. Out of these more than 5,000 have been foreigners. Ever since 1992, the number of foreign terrorists killed has been on the rise with the number of foreign terrorists mainly Pakistanis and Afghans last year being approximately 69 percent of the total terrorists killed. We are sure that this year it will be even more as 60 to 70 percent of terrorists operating in the J&K are Pakistanis, Afghans and a small number from other Muslim countries.

Maximum Casualties of Civilians
Unfortunately ever since the beginning of Non Initiation of Combat Operations period, the civilian casualties have been higher. The terrorists have targeted political workers, surrendered terrorists and so called informers. In addition, a large number of civilians have been killed or injured in grenade attacks and IED explosions by the terrorists. Total of 14393 civilians have been killed due to terrorist violence.


Read the full article(very large)...also dwells into the historical aspects of the dispute between India and Pakis



posted on Jul, 4 2005 @ 05:55 AM
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i can also post atrosity caused by indians in kasmir but dont really want unless you want to see them?

and can you get some good sources or are all of your sources anti pakistan/china/islam?

because i find almost all your sources unrelible


and i seem to recall pakistan fighting terrorists ( well thats what i read on proper news papers/sites )


edit just noticed your only 15
and yet full of it


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posted on Jul, 4 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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I think the Pakistani government is in a very delicate position and I think so far they are doing what they can to kill and disassemble terrorist organizations in their county.



posted on Jul, 4 2005 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
The Times of India is not a silly taboloid as many assume. Its a trustworthy source and is the WORLD's most read ENGLISH newspaper.


Who called it one? I certainly didn't. Even respected papers have political agendas though- no less than FNC, CNN, and all the rest back here in the 'States.


And Vagabond..sure i am on the Hindu nationalist side of Indian politics .. but heck i cant vote yet...i a just turned 15.


I do not intend any offense my friend, however I feel that as you grow older your passions will be tempered more and more by wisdom and you will agree with me that India should not greet instability as a good thing. It may be fun to see your enemy in rags while you are in riches, but then you have to remember that you enemy may be willing to get himself killed just to hurt you out of spite.


Pakistan is an internationally known proliferator of nuclear weapons to Iran, North Korea(exchanged for ballistic missile tech)& Libya. Pakistan itself got its nukes by getting the tech robbed from a Dutch facility and was mated with Chinese bomb design. There is no shortage of links on the internet (both indian & international) that confirm this.


Yes, I know who A.Q. Kahn is my friend. I never said I approved of Pakistan's actions. I don't trust that country as far as I can throw it. I am well aware that the US hasn't made any major waves about Pervez Musharaff's power over there because he's the only man in their government who wouldn't make things worse and less stable than they already are- and he lets us walk all over him because it was the US Central Command under Anothony Zinni which made the decision to permit his coup.
Nevertheless, Pakistan is in a vital strategic location, the least of these reasons not being that it is next to India, it contains a great many terrorists who my country is anxious to kill, and they have nukes which at least for the time being are not in the hands of complete maniacs. These factors make stability in Pakistan highly desireable for both America and India.

(also, I don't mean to nitpick, but it would be greatly appeciated if you would post links and only small excerpts to the links. Members who wish to be informed and make intelligent comments can always be trusted to investigate further with the links you've provided- obviously I have (I dug up the NIC report for us even). So, might I respectfully ask that you make your quotes and images not quite so massive?



Pakistan is currently IMO the world's largest sponsor of islamic terrorism into India's state of Jammu & Kashmir as it is incapable of facing India in a war.

I'm tempted to comment, but I won't until I've done a bit of research into the legal/political status of those disputed territories. It does occur to me however, from memory of the atlas, that India may very well have more territorial disputes with neighbors than almost any nation on the planet- so I forgive me if I don't take your claim regarding India's rights to those areas and the illigitimacy of Pakistani resistance there at face value. We can get back to that though, perhaps in its own thread, once I have made myself better informed.



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