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originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Grambler
Implying?
Either they say they are going to filibuster it or they aren't. If they aren't saying they're going to filibuster it, then you can't say it requires 60 votes.
Full stop.
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Grambler
Implying?
Either they say they are going to filibuster it or they aren't. If they aren't saying they're going to filibuster it, then you can't say it requires 60 votes.
Full stop.
Yet all the media have been reporting 60 votes will be meeded, including while talk in to dems.
The dems know that everyone is taking for granted they would fillibister, and they are saying the will force a shutdown of they don't get more.
I take them at their word, and assume they know they would need a fillibister to force a shutdown.
originally posted by: neo96
Democrats Want a Government Shutdown
Works for me.
Shut that SNIP down.
So much for their Russia 'investigation'.
originally posted by: Painterz
I find it vaguely hilarious that when the Republicans shut government down under Obama it was the bestest most awesome and amazing thing ever.
Now the Republicans control White House, Senate, and Congress and the government is getting shut down on their watch when they control all three houses, it's somehow the Democrats fault and it's the worstest most awful baby-killing evilness in the world ever.
Some double-standards are more glaring than others.
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Greven
Today's vote needs 60 to pass.
You keep saying that, but you are wrong unless you can provide proof that Democrats plan to filibuster.
Continuing to claim it needs 60 votes without such proof can only be seen as lying now that you have been informed on how things really work.
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Grambler
Implying?
Either they say they are going to filibuster it or they aren't. If they aren't saying they're going to filibuster it, then you can't say it requires 60 votes.
Full stop.
Yet all the media have been reporting 60 votes will be meeded, including while talk in to dems.
The dems know that everyone is taking for granted they would fillibister, and they are saying the will force a shutdown of they don't get more.
I take them at their word, and assume they know they would need a fillibister to force a shutdown.
Any, you know, sources for this?
The government is set to run out of funding at midnight Friday. House Republicans passed a continuing resolution Thursday evening to fund the government, but the stopgap spending measure's path in the Senate as that deadline looms is unclear. The legislation needs 60 votes to pass the chamber to break a filibuster, meaning Republican leaders could need as many a dozen Democrats or more to vote in its favor. Several Democrats have already announced their opposition to the bill.
Senate Democrats have threatened to block the funding measure through a filibuster, which requires 60 votes to overcome.
Democrats in the Senate have served notice they will filibuster a four-week, government-wide funding bill that cleared the House Thursday evening. That could expose them to charges that they are responsible for a shutdown, but they point the finger at Republicans instead.
Either way, Democrats have said they have the votes to block the spending bill from advancing. They may give some freebie votes to Democrats in difficult 2018 races — Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), for example, told reporters that he would likely vote for a spending bill — but they have told reporters that there are not enough to start debate on the spending bill.
In this case, if Republicans are unified in trying to keep the government open and Democrats deny them the votes to do it, it would be fair to say that Democrats shut down the government.
“I think a shutdown is likely,” a senior Democratic source told the Hill. “Senate Democrats are not likely to provide the votes needed to break a filibuster. The Senate is going to shut down unless something major changes before Friday night.”
Attention now shifts to the Senate, where Democrats are boasting to reporters that they've marshaled the requisite votes to block GOP attempts to keep the federal government open, via a filibuster. Even if every Senate Republican voted for the House-passed plan (Mitch McConnell's caucus has a few members who've vowed to vote no), 60 votes are required to overcome a potential minority filibuster. And Democrats are stating, quite openly, that they're ready to filibuster the GOP spending bill and force a shutdown unless they get their way on immigration.
The meeting comes as Congress pushed the federal government to the brink of a shutdown. Senate Democrats — joined by some GOP deficit hawks and immigration allies — were set to filibuster a stopgap funding bill ahead of a midnight deadline.
Democrats in the Senate have served notice they will filibuster a four-week, government-wide funding bill that cleared the House Thursday evening.
originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Grambler
The republicans have the power to change rules:
“The presiding officer of the Senate could act tomorrow by ruling on a point of order that the filibuster is unconstitutional. Alternatively, 51 Senators could find the courage to vote to end the practice. “
thehill.com...
“Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.”
www.usconstitution.net...
originally posted by: Painterz
I find it vaguely hilarious that when the Republicans shut government down under Obama it was the bestest most awesome and amazing thing ever.
Now the Republicans control White House, Senate, and Congress and the government is getting shut down on their watch when they control all three houses, it's somehow the Democrats fault and it's the worstest most awful baby-killing evilness in the world ever.
Some double-standards are more glaring than others.
originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Grambler
The republicans have the power to change rules:
“The presiding officer of the Senate could act tomorrow by ruling on a point of order that the filibuster is unconstitutional. Alternatively, 51 Senators could find the courage to vote to end the practice. “
thehill.com...
“Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.”
www.usconstitution.net...
originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Grambler
....only 8 sources? Pfft.
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Greven
Today's vote needs 60 to pass.
You keep saying that, but you are wrong unless you can provide proof that Democrats plan to filibuster.
Continuing to claim it needs 60 votes without such proof can only be seen as lying now that you have been informed on how things really work.
The Dems will vote no but in your world, they won't fillibuster?
What's the point of voting no then? They won't stop it.