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Democrats Want a Government Shutdown

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posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Scrubdog

Well soon see how many Democrats in the Senate vote "Yes".


Given that not even 50 Republicans have indicated they would vote yes, maybe you cheerleaders should be introspective.


McCain is absent for this vote.

And the vote for this is 3/5 to pass i.e. 60 votes needed to pass.


That's only the case if Democrats filibuster like Republicans did a historic number of times during the last 8 years.




posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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Just think about this for a moment. If the so called conservatives didn’t have to raise the national debt ceiling because they are unable to govern, this wouldn’t even be a topic of conversation. I’m old enough enough to remember conservatives going ballistic over this matter. I say shut it down. Who cares. I know I don’t. Just more kabuki theater for the brain deads out there.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: smurfy

Look you wilkl get no argument from me that the majority of congressmen on both sides suck.

But looking at this one issue, the dems are to blame.

You are right, there should be compromises.

Here is how a compromise works.

I have some things I want, you have some you want.

So we each give each other something we want.

In this situation, the budget includes only things the democrats want. Hence the republicans compromised by delaying the Cadillac tax, funding chip, etc.

And they took this compromise of a bill filled with only things they like, and said no, they now want more.

So republicans tried to compromise, and the dmeocrats just keep demanding more and more.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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Democrats Want a Government Shutdown

Works for me.

Shut that SNIP down.

So much for their Russia 'investigation'.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Greven

Today's vote needs 60.

Don't you understand the differences in legislation ?


You seem unclear on how the U.S. government actually functions. Very few things require more than a majority vote. You're aware that the tax reform passed with fewer than 60 votes, right?

One of those is cloture in the Senate, which is required to override a filibuster. If there is not a filibuster, a simple majority is enough to pass most things. This is what plagued the Senate during most of Obama's tenure, because Republicans were the party of NO and their goals were literally to keep Obama from getting a second term and/or make his presidency a failure.

Impeachment, constitutional amendments, and a few other rare things require more than simple majority votes.

Are the Democrats going to filibuster this legislation or not?

If they are not, then 51 votes is enough.
edit on 11Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:44:59 -0600America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago1 by Greven because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

^^^ horribly biased polls ^^^




posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
I wish Trump would just hold quick press conference and state this post.... he needs to get out in front of media before they try to set the narrative.


He just "invited" Schumer to the White House !!




posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Old news won't cut the mustard today.




posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Today's vote needs 60 to pass.




posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: GuidedKill


Poll: Nearly 9 in 10 want DACA recipients to stay in US


thehill.com...


MOST AMERICANS SUPPORT DACA, BUT OPPOSE BORDER WALL – CBS NEWS POLL



wdef.com...


Poll: Vast majority of Americans support DACA


www.axios.com...


do you really want to challenge me?


LMAO ABC/CBS/Washington post polls...


That's your proof? BRHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Aren't those the same polls that said Hillary was guaranteed to win the election??

What a joke.




posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: MOMof3
Poor guys. This thing called leadership is harder than they thought.

Yeah you would think having a majority in every single branch of government would preclude blaming the opposition for their failings.

Alas...


you mean like 8 years ago when the Democrats had a super majority but everything was republicans wont compromise and but bush...

That was a rather brief period, since Republicans gained the House after a few years.

Republicans filibustered nearly everything in the Senate because Democrats didn't have a super majority.

Have Democrats filibustered everything?

*shrugs* its only been a brief period of time since trump became president, and the first piece of policy that the democrats have planted their flag on is putting more importance on people that came here illegally over the actual citizens....

As bad as the republicans are the democrats are paving the way for the republicans to not lose many seats are all.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
Poor guys. This thing called leadership is harder than they thought.

Must have been hard for the Democrats too. The same thing happened under Obama's watch.
And the Democrats claimed that the Republicans were horrible and heartless for doing it.
Now that they are forcing it, it is not horrible and heartless.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Greven

Today's vote needs 60 to pass.


You keep saying that, but you are wrong unless you can provide proof that Democrats plan to filibuster.

Continuing to claim it needs 60 votes without such proof can only be seen as lying now that you have been informed on how things really work.
edit on 11Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:52:35 -0600America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago1 by Greven because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: MOMof3
Poor guys. This thing called leadership is harder than they thought.

Yeah you would think having a majority in every single branch of government would preclude blaming the opposition for their failings.

Alas...


you mean like 8 years ago when the Democrats had a super majority but everything was republicans wont compromise and but bush...

That was a rather brief period, since Republicans gained the House after a few years.

Republicans filibustered nearly everything in the Senate because Democrats didn't have a super majority.

Have Democrats filibustered everything?

*shrugs* its only been a brief period of time since trump became president, and the first piece of policy that the democrats have planted their flag on is putting more importance on people that came here illegally over the actual citizens....

As bad as the republicans are the democrats are paving the way for the republicans to not lose many seats are all.

Not voting for a bill is different from filibustering it.

Will it be filibustered by Democrats or not?

If not, then this is all a charade trying to cast blame on Democrats when Republicans have insufficient votes to pass with a majority roll call.
edit on 11Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:55:19 -0600America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago1 by Greven because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Greven

Today's vote needs 60.

Don't you understand the differences in legislation ?


Why don't you explain the 'difference.'



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Democrats love people here illegally so much they are willing to hurt American Citizen Children to prove it.

Once Americans discover their kids don't have health coverage, it will become obvious who is blocking their coverage.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

The republicans have the power to do what they want. Let’s see if they use that power for sick babies and kids like they used it for tax cuts for the rich.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: butcherguy

The republicans have the power to do what they want. Let’s see if they use that power for sick babies and kids like they used it for tax cuts for the rich.


No they don't because they need 60 votes and only have 51.

All media and talk of the dems is implying the would force cloture, meaning they will need 60.

This means using your thought process, the dems don't care about sick babies



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: eNumbra
Republicans threatened the same under obama, rinse repeat, new leaders same as the old leaders... etc.

This is tiring

They didn't just threaten.

True; but it may be a bit semantic, but the government never truely shuts down, worthless #s just take a hiatus and everything eventually opens back up.



posted on Jan, 19 2018 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: Grambler
Implying?

Either they say they are going to filibuster it or they aren't. If they aren't saying they're going to filibuster it, then you can't say it requires 60 votes.

Full stop.



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