Democrats Want a Government Shutdown

a reply to: Greven

There are different thresholds for different types of legislation. Some only take simple majority. Some can be filibustered. Some take 2/3 at various stages (60 votes).

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: xuenchen

Lol. All y’all are mad cause the democrats didn’t come to the rescue. Boo hoo.

2018 is a com'n

Immigration policy over rides military families, and low-wage workers.
What really makes my blood boil immigrants and politicians will still get financial support threw this shut down...

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Greven

There are different thresholds for different types of legislation. Some only take simple majority. Some can be filibustered. Some take 2/3 at various stages (60 votes).

A continuing resolution does not require 60 votes.

The talk of 60 votes related to this legislation is about invoking cloture, which would preclude a filibuster - one which hadn't yet taken place.

McConnell decided it was more important to hold onto this legislation than put it up for debate and potentially for a vote. If he had, a filibuster may have occurred, and he wouldn't be able to bring the bill back unless cloture was invoked. I'm still wondering who was going to filibuster, though.

He is playing you like a fiddle.

a reply to: xuenchen

The women are coming to the rescue.

a reply to: Ansuzrune

The republicans control the White House, senate, house, most state legislatures, and they can’t pass a budget. And the Great Deal Maker is too crazy to make a deal with. Pathetic losers.

a reply to: Greven

Exactly....if they didnt put it to vote then they can blame a filibuster

a reply to: Greven

A continuing resolution is an abdication of responsibility. An actual budget should be passed because there hasn't been one since Obama took office.

All a CR does is continue under Obama levels of spending with no changes. If they want changes in those spending levels, and with the tax reform those changes NEED to be made, then they need a real budget.

So the Democrats hold the process hostage with DACA for the reasons I already explained up thread. Wrong and wrong again.

Also, a short-term funding solution was passed through the House. That was on Friday, but it does not include DACA.

There will be no DACA deal until after the budget is done.

Trump never wanted DACA legislation in the funding bill in the first place. Then, when he agreed to consider it, he upped the ante by demanding immigration enforcement money - including funding for the wall - to be included with any DACA amendments. When Democrats balked, he refused to negotiate further, leaving Democrats high and dry.

In the end, it appears that Trump will get a funding bill minus DACA, and probably a separate bill that includes wall funding as well as other immigration enforcement measures in exchange for legalizing DREAMers. This is what the president wanted in the first place.

The democrats are really stupid for doing this, now Trump is going into full scale madman mode

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Greven

A continuing resolution is an abdication of responsibility. An actual budget should be passed because there hasn't been one since Obama took office.

All a CR does is continue under Obama levels of spending with no changes. If they want changes in those spending levels, and with the tax reform those changes NEED to be made, then they need a real budget.

So the Democrats hold the process hostage with DACA for the reasons I already explained up thread. Wrong and wrong again.

Republicans have had control of both the House and the Senate since 2014. It's been 4 years.

The fact that Republicans are so incapable of governing and yet people are still blaming the other party is astounding.

Blame them already, or keep denying reality.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Greven

Exactly....if they didnt put it to vote then they can blame a filibuster

McConnell didn't have the votes to begin with, then 5 Democrats crossed over to vote yes.

You can't blame all Democrats, clearly. You can't even blame a filibuster. If there was a filibuster, then the bill would have died then and there.

You can say the threat of a filibuster kept McConnell from moving forward, and that might be his motivation. He didn't move it forward to the point where a filibuster could occur. He made that call.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Greven

A continuing resolution is an abdication of responsibility. An actual budget should be passed because there hasn't been one since Obama took office.

All a CR does is continue under Obama levels of spending with no changes. If they want changes in those spending levels, and with the tax reform those changes NEED to be made, then they need a real budget.

So the Democrats hold the process hostage with DACA for the reasons I already explained up thread. Wrong and wrong again.

Republicans have had control of both the House and the Senate since 2014. It's been 4 years.

The fact that Republicans are so incapable of governing and yet people are still blaming the other party is astounding.

Blame them already, or keep denying reality.

Republicans are capable of only government by fiat, fascism, and government by scandal, investigations.

That's it.

They don't believe in government for anything except building gigantic armies/navies, and handing out corporate welfare, cleaning up corporate waste, subsidizing their payrolls and new projects.

Other than that, they're fine with letting government die on the vine, turning this country into the banana republic it is now, 10% of society richer than just about any class of people in all of history, the rest facing ever diminishing returns.

Democrats demanded DACA as part of the Great Wall funding bc it was a moral imperative. Trump agreed. There needn't be a shutdown or anything. The deal was done.

Then Trump/McConnell simply changed their mind. Miller and Kelly got to Trump. Trump has no principles and thus changed his mind.

That's the entire story.

Dems proposed funding military payroll even while the government shut down. McConnell objected.

It's on the republicans, who never do anything unless they get everything.

Democrats got the government shutdown that they wanted. 3 days later they agreed to open the government again without receiving any concessions from Republicans.

Why the sudden change of heart?

originally posted by: carewemust
Democrats got the government shutdown that they wanted. 3 days later they agreed to open the government again without receiving any concessions from Republicans.

Why the sudden change of heart?

A. They saw that they had terrible optics on the whole farce. Some mud on the GOP, just as much on them.
B. They wanted to throw off a weekend news drop that didn't happen

These are the 2 reasons I've considered thus far.

Term limits are becoming an absolute necessity. This whole fiasco makes it pretty clear those who have been serving in the house and senate for 20 plus years have lost any semblance of representing tne voters who put them there. Both sides.

6 yrs for house seats, 8 years for senate seats. If 8 yrs is enough for a President, it’s enough for congress and senate members. Divide it into thirds for the house and quarters for the senate. Rotate new folks into senate every 2 years and the house every 2 years...that way there is continuity as only a portion of each is replaced as some reach their term limit.

Can you imagine? New ideas and perspectives EVERY TWO YEARS, with oversight of experience still serving to keep things on track.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I was just listening to Senator Kamala Harris being interviewed on CNN. Most Democrats are miffed by how Chuck Schumer changed his tone so suddenly over the weekend. She would not say the exact words, but they are very disappointed in his leadership right now.

I think president Trump told Chuck Schumer something that totally melted him down. When he left the White House on Friday Schumer was pale, and at a loss for words. That is very unusual for him.

originally posted by: carewemust
Democrats got the government shutdown that they wanted. 3 days later they agreed to open the government again without receiving any concessions from Republicans.

Why the sudden change of heart?

Their inside pollsters showed them a sudden problem with popularity.

Polls you won't read in the MSM.

Another backfire.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I was just listening to Senator Kamala Harris being interviewed on CNN. Most Democrats are miffed by how Chuck Schumer changed his tone so suddenly over the weekend. She would not say the exact words, but they are very disappointed in his leadership right now.

I think president Trump told Chuck Schumer something that totally melted him down. When he left the White House on Friday Schumer was pale, and at a loss for words. That is very unusual for him.

Trump must have shown ol' CS the "Memo" !!!

CS hero Obama implicated bigtime.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: carewemust
Democrats got the government shutdown that they wanted. 3 days later they agreed to open the government again without receiving any concessions from Republicans.

Why the sudden change of heart?

A. They saw that they had terrible optics on the whole farce. Some mud on the GOP, just as much on them.
B. They wanted to throw off a weekend news drop that didn't happen

These are the 2 reasons I've considered thus far.

You forgot another reason - they're spineless cowards.