We Don't Want The Best People

a reply to: JoshuaCox

a reply to: SR1TX

I am an immigrant as well, a legal immigrant. Like me, and many others, there are millions of legal immigrants who had to go through the process legally. It took my family and myself almost 10 years to be able to immigrate legally in the U.S. It is a slap in the face that illegal immigrants are getting more money, and more help not only than legal immigrants, but they are getting more money and help than U.S. citizens themselves get for the most part. I am Cuban-American, born and raised part of my life in Cuba, and also in Spain.

The open borders policy that many in the left claim "is good for the country and humanitarian" is neither good nor humanitarian. Mexico deports more people than the U.S. does. All those Cubans who tried to make it, illegally, into Mexico were sent back to Cuba. Hence Mexicans, and anyone else coming illegally to the U.S. should be put in the border and sent back home. If they want to migrate then do it legally. If you are poor and don't make enough money then work hard for years and eventually you will be able to afford it, just like my family and millions of legal immigrants had to do it.

Also, a very large percentage of immigrants these days don't have the same vision as immigrants who have come into this country legally, and assimilated into the American culture. This time immigrants want the U.S. to assimilate to them, want free things, and under former President Obama those people were more than welcomed.

We have not vetted most immigrants coming from the Middle East, and most of them come from areas where radical Islam is in full control. In those countries women are seen as second rate citizens, and in those regions "honor killings" are completely legal. The United States does not have the same laws that those countries have which allow men to treat women as they want. In those countries the women need at least 2 male witnesses that would testified they were raped. If the rapist says it was consensual and the woman does not have 2 male witnesses then authorities in those countries will believe the rapists...

Then we have got some morons even in the U.S. who think President Trump shouldn't have said "why are we allowing so many people from #hole countries"... Those same morons don't care that several of these refugees, not only from the Middle East but also from south of the border with Mexico, have committed many crimes including murder, robberies, assault, true sexual assaults on women, etc, etc...

We saw, and still see in Europe what happens when you have an open border policy, and we have seen how thousands of immigrants from the Middle East sexually assaulted women, robbed them, attacked their boyfriends or friends for trying to defend them etc...

The morons in the German government told women in several cities in response not to go out alone... Instead of actually going after the Muslim immigrants who have been violent and have committed these crimes... Then when these same Muslim radicals started attacking women in droves in music festivals the morons in the governments in Europe started giving women some wristbands in which it said something like "don't grope me"... As if that is going to stop any radical from any nation to stop sexually assaulting women... The same problems have been occurring in public pools...

The other morons in the governments in Europe have been doing the same thing the morons in the government of Germany have been doing... Not to mention that instead of actually addressing these real problems, these moronic world elites in the governments of Europe started going after citizens who would complain in social media about what the "refugees" have been doing in Europe... For example when an old lady posted in Facebook that she saw a "refugee" defecating in the streets her government decided to go after her and she has been facing jail time for doing this...

But hey, the Obama administration were also morons who have been trying to do the same things the idiots in charge in Europe have been doing... Obama ordered for all official reports to stop writing "radical Islam" in their reports... When "refuges" have been committing crimes the governments in Europe and the Obama administration tried to hide these crimes and instead call people who complain about these real problems as "being xenophobic and racists"... It doesn't matter if many of the people complaining are actually part of minorities, which it shouldn't matter because even if white men or women who were born in the U.S. are victims of crimes from "refugees" or "illegal immigrants" the victims shouldn't be treated or made to look like they are the criminals...

a reply to: strongfp

Is that why countries like Venezuela, Cuba, etc, etc, were made into #hole countries because of Marxism?... I would argue that it is people like yourself who have no idea what Marxism truly is... Marxism/communism/socialism are both, political and economic systems which have failed time, after time, after time.

BTW, the unions in the U.S. weren't for the most part Marxist... However, these days union membership is still in decline in comparison from the 80s because unions demand their workers to vote democrat, and to support policies that only the head honchos in unions want.

Union Members Summary

For release 10:00 a.m. (EST) Friday, January 19, 2018 USDL-18-0080

Technical information: (202) 691-6378 * cpsinfo@bls.gov * www.bls.gov/cps
Media contact: (202) 691-5902 * PressOffice@bls.gov


UNION MEMBERS -- 2017


The union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
members of unions--was unchanged at 10.7 percent in 2017, the U.S. Bureau of
Labor Statistics reported today. The number of wage and salary workers
belonging to unions, at 14.8 million in 2017, edged up by 262,000 from 2016.
In 1983, the first year for which comparable union data are available, the
union membership rate was 20.1 percent and there were 17.7 million union
workers.
...

www.bls.gov...

a reply to: JoshuaCox

WTH are you on about now?... Obviously you don't understand that this thread is a true parody based on real policies implemented by the left, and it is a response from the other thread made up of bs whining from an avowed socialist ATS member.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The countries you mentioned are not Marxist, they do not hold any economic value to actually live in a Marxist society. They are a socialist of some sort, but are far from Marxism. They have wealth, but cannot agree on common grounds.

This is why I hate people who do no understand politics beyond "LEFT and RIGHT", if you don't know the foundations of modern political ideologies beyond a two sided coin then don't comment on it. Marxism is socialist, in the sense that it works for people who WORK, it works for the people who actually go to work, pay taxes, and can reap the benefits of working for a common good, yet can live a decent standard of living, is that not what America wants again?

It's an ideology that everyone should strive for. I'll say it again, it's run away capitalists that make Carl Marx look like a fool because they are the ones that cannot grasp the reality of life.

Rome was founded on a tribal mindset, yet it found it's way to a republic, for the people, by the people, once political corruption took over and started telling those who worked the fields, those who were conscripts for the military, what religion to follow, it fell apart. Let the people who actually do work, and live in day to day lives do what they need to do and it will all come into place. France is a prime example of this.
Competitive capitalism and Marxism can work together, it's called a middle ground, being LIBERAL.

Also, I directed our comments on unions. Since you clearly did no understand that hte golden age of prosperity in the US was from the 1930's to the 1970's, when unions were powerful and at their peak. Yet you bring forth citations and links to the 1980's?
That's when unions were on a decline, and so was the US economy, and when China, India, and Mexico were on the rise...
You are picking and choosing.

a reply to: strongfp

No, that is not "what America wants"... Marxism, Marxism-Leninism and other forms of communism and socialism put the collective above the individual, hence individual rights do not matter, because the "collective" is more important.

I don't like talking with left-wingers about socialism/communism because the majority of people like yourself have never experienced or seen what these systems do to a nation and it's people...

Many ATS members were saying "Venezuela will become great with the socialism/communism that Chavez is bringing to Venezuela" when the whole "change to socialism of the 21st century" started... Members like myself were saying Venezuela will become another Cuba... Guess who was right?

People in the left like yourself will never change your minds, and when you see those systems that you adore fail, you all claim the same thing... "err, but, but, that's not socialism/communism"...

You all are the same type of people who claim "but my tourist friend says that Cuba is wonderful and there are no problems there. Everyone gets the same medical treatments, etc, etc". That is bs, only tourists and the higher ups in command in Cuba get the best medical treatments, meanwhile hospitals for regular Cubans lack medicines, supplies, and are in really bad shape.

Communist Party of Cuba
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the Communist Party of Cuba founded in 1925, see Popular Socialist Party (Cuba).

The Communist Party of Cuba (Spanish: Partido Comunista de Cuba, PCC) is the political party that rules in Republic of Cuba, although others exist. It is a communist party of the Marxist-Leninist model. The Cuban constitution ascribes the role of the Party to be the "leading force of society and of the state." Since April 2011, the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba has been Raúl Castro, the President of Cuba, younger brother of the previous First Secretary and President of Cuba, Fidel Castro who died on 25 November 2016, and the Second Secretary has been José Ramón Machado Ventura.[2]
...

en.wikipedia.org...

You know of another system which put the collective as more important than the individual? Hitler's Germany/aka National Socialism.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So...

You WISH you were an ethnic minority?

Would you be OK waking up with dark skin tomorrow?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: SR1TX

I am an immigrant as well, a legal immigrant. Like me, and many others, there are millions of legal immigrants who had to go through the process legally. It took my family and myself almost 10 years to be able to immigrate legally in the U.S. It is a slap in the face that illegal immigrants are getting more money, and more help not only than legal immigrants, but they are getting more money and help than U.S. citizens themselves get for the most part. I am Cuban-American, born and raised part of my life in Cuba, and also in Spain.

The open borders policy that many in the left claim "is good for the country and humanitarian" is neither good nor humanitarian. Mexico deports more people than the U.S. does. All those Cubans who tried to make it, illegally, into Mexico were sent back to Cuba. Hence Mexicans, and anyone else coming illegally to the U.S. should be put in the border and sent back home. If they want to migrate then do it legally. If you are poor and don't make enough money then work hard for years and eventually you will be able to afford it, just like my family and millions of legal immigrants had to do it.

Also, a very large percentage of immigrants these days don't have the same vision as immigrants who have come into this country legally, and assimilated into the American culture. This time immigrants want the U.S. to assimilate to them, want free things, and under former President Obama those people were more than welcomed.

We have not vetted most immigrants coming from the Middle East, and most of them come from areas where radical Islam is in full control. In those countries women are seen as second rate citizens, and in those regions "honor killings" are completely legal. The United States does not have the same laws that those countries have which allow men to treat women as they want. In those countries the women need at least 2 male witnesses that would testified they were raped. If the rapist says it was consensual and the woman does not have 2 male witnesses then authorities in those countries will believe the rapists...

Then we have got some morons even in the U.S. who think President Trump shouldn't have said "why are we allowing so many people from #hole countries"... Those same morons don't care that several of these refugees, not only from the Middle East but also from south of the border with Mexico, have committed many crimes including murder, robberies, assault, true sexual assaults on women, etc, etc...

We saw, and still see in Europe what happens when you have an open border policy, and we have seen how thousands of immigrants from the Middle East sexually assaulted women, robbed them, attacked their boyfriends or friends for trying to defend them etc...

The morons in the German government told women in several cities in response not to go out alone... Instead of actually going after the Muslim immigrants who have been violent and have committed these crimes... Then when these same Muslim radicals started attacking women in droves in music festivals the morons in the governments in Europe started giving women some wristbands in which it said something like "don't grope me"... As if that is going to stop any radical from any nation to stop sexually assaulting women... The same problems have been occurring in public pools...

The other morons in the governments in Europe have been doing the same thing the morons in the government of Germany have been doing... Not to mention that instead of actually addressing these real problems, these moronic world elites in the governments of Europe started going after citizens who would complain in social media about what the "refugees" have been doing in Europe... For example when an old lady posted in Facebook that she saw a "refugee" defecating in the streets her government decided to go after her and she has been facing jail time for doing this...

But hey, the Obama administration were also morons who have been trying to do the same things the idiots in charge in Europe have been doing... Obama ordered for all official reports to stop writing "radical Islam" in their reports... When "refuges" have been committing crimes the governments in Europe and the Obama administration tried to hide these crimes and instead call people who complain about these real problems as "being xenophobic and racists"... It doesn't matter if many of the people complaining are actually part of minorities, which it shouldn't matter because even if white men or women who were born in the U.S. are victims of crimes from "refugees" or "illegal immigrants" the victims shouldn't be treated or made to look like they are the criminals...

My god you have a really messed up world view.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

My god you have a really messed up world view.

roflmao... i am the one with the "messed up world view" because of what European countries, and the Obama administration have been doing?... oh wait, I forgot, you are the same person who has claimed "you are fake news"...

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You tube is so cool. Did you see the one where all the stuff is moving around on its own in someone's kitchen? Totally legit, I'm sure...

Instead of making a generalized comment which is false, how about you post which of those videos is "fake" and post evidence that those videos are fake?...

Your asking the member to prove a negative.... I've got one... Your fake news...

Germany: Full Censorship Now Official Courts Rewrite History

A person that doesn't understand that "people can't be fake news" is not able to make a concise, or intelligent argument in the least. More so when everything I mentioned in my argument has been happening, yet people like you want to ignore and dismiss these events.

First, other members and myself have been trying to explain to people like you that we do not think all Muslims are radicals...

The following Muslim woman is not a radical... Like her there are many others, but they grew up integrating in western societies. However, the majority of Muslim refugees are coming from areas where "Sharia law" and "radicalism" are the "norm".

Liberal Muslim Woman Speaks Up on Why She Voted For Trump.

However, we have been pointing out the problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe and the U.S. who have been resorting to violence, mostly seen in Europe. We are not talking about a low percentage of Muslim immigrants causing problems, but a very large percentage.

Europe in Chaos as Illegal Immigrants Resort to Violence.

Cover-up claim over NYE mass sexual assaults

Signs of "radicalization" in kindergarten children in Flanders

'Women are being attacked every day': violence at small town festival reignites migration debate

Sweden on the Brink of Civil War, National Police Chief: “help us, help us!”

Omar Khadr to receive apology and $10.5M compensation package from Canada: official (yeah i know Canada is part of North America)

Foreign students in US embrace ISIS by the 100s – report

Finnish lady describes the Muslim violence, they brag of attacks.

Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her

EU opens legal case against Warsaw, Budapest and Prague over migration

German intelligence officer 'arrested over Islamist plot' raising fears agency has been infiltrated

Germany: Full Censorship Now Official Courts Rewrite History

German politician threatens to fine Facebook €500,000 every time it shows fake news

Parenting Magazine Warns ‘Blond, Cheerful’ Families Dangerous, Likely Right Wing

Youtube Claims that by Censoring Conservative Videos it is Fighting Online Terrorism.

Meanwhile the Obama administration was doing the following in the U.S.

Chairman Chaffetz Opener - Criminal Aliens Released by the Department of Homeland Security

Obama administration fails to check immigrants against FBI databases, approves citizenship

DHS mysteriously rushing to naturalize immigrants before election

Public demands answers in Twin Falls child sex assault case

DHS ordered me to scrub records of Muslims with terror ties

Senator Chuck Grassley Inquiry into DHS terrorist Hands off List Dissapears from his Webpage.

Assistant Attorney General John P. Carlin Delivers Remarks on Domestic Terrorism.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


I'm sorry if I struck a nerve but you are constantly posting hoaxes which is why I called you fake news, as far as todays comment goes you made a claim that you yourself are an immigrant yet you are so against immigration so yeah, your world view is messed up and for the most part wrong.


Since you bought up again the immigration issues in Europe feel free to list some of the worst places in detail and when I am there in the next few months I will do my best to capture some videos from ground zero and post them here on ATS.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What you just said had absolutely nothing to do with my post. Once again, if you cannot grasp the reality of politics beyond a simple LEFT vrs RIGHT then do not comment on it.
Stop being ignorant and naive to the subject.

For one Marx wasn't a left wing follower himself, he only created propaganda for the commune because it was a job for him at the time, his entire life he spent without setting foot in one political stage, he was a publicist that wrote some very inspirational pieces obviously. But if you actually know his history, he bounced around from place to place simply looking for work.
After his death most of his writings were manipulated and published.

Second, I am not a one of the "People on the left", actually, I am more of a centrist slightly right leaning if you really want to me put myself in your little imaginary political chart. Stop assuming.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


I'm sorry if I struck a nerve but you are constantly posting hoaxes which is why I called you fake news, as far as todays comment goes you made a claim that you yourself are an immigrant yet you are so against immigration so yeah, your world view is messed up and for the most part wrong.
...

First of all, you didn't strike any nerve, and my history of bad articles is nothing compared to other ATS posters who have posted "fake news" from links like CNN, etc, more so in the past year and a half. Yet none of those articles from left-wing sources like CNN which have been proven to be fake have been labeled officially by ATS as fake. This is happening because of a large bias. Not all ATS staff are left-wingers, but there is an obvious very left-wing bias from the higher ups.

For example, there is still the thread made by "theantedeluvian" in which he claimed that there was evidence that "the Russian hackers hacked the DNC, yet that evidence he was presenting came from Crowdstrike. Crowdstrike is the same group who also claimed the same Russian hackers that hacked the DNC had decimated the artillery units of the Ukranian military, yet Ukraine and even the sources that Crowstrike used to make these claim later pointed out that this report from Crowdstrike was fake, and they never said/wrote what Crowdstrike claims. Yet that article , among many other fake articles, has not been labeled as "fake" officially by ATS. Yet again, members like "theantedeluvian" have resorted to posting most of their pieces in the mud pit, where you don't actually need to post any evidence so that his/her articles cannot be pointed out as being fake.

As a matter of fact, the evidence from the 3-4, not 17, intelligence agencies were using mostly Crowdstrike as a source, other than that they talk about "what they think the Russian would do" and "what they claimed the Russians would do" but no real evidence was ever provided by the "intelligence assessment" which if you read it, sounds more like babblings than the actual work from any intelligence agency.

Second of all, if I had doubts about an article I posted I made it clear by either saying I wasn't entirely certain, or saying we should wait to see if more evidence corroborated the article in question. But yeah, I do make mistakes, I am human after all...

Third of all, I have had articles which were posted in "lol" forum later to show that the information in those articles is true. For example, the majority of Muslim refugees from the Middle East for the last few years were not from Syria, yet they have been sent to the U.S. and to Europe under the "Syrian refugee program". I posted an article in which three Muslim boys partook in raping and urinating on an American girl, but because in the article it say they are syrian refugees it was labeled as fake becuase supposedly these boys did not emigrate from Syria, except as i mentioned many Muslim refugees are from other regions of the ME and Africa yet they came to the U.S., and mostly to Europe under the "Syrian refugee program". When i re-posted that article from another source which pointed out residents were demanding answers about that case it all came out to light and was shown to be true.

Most of these refugees come from Iraq, Iran, Lybia, North Africa and other regions of Africa (which is not part of the Middle East), just some are from Syria and the majority of refugees are coming from regions where radical Islam is in control.

Fourth of all, being pro-legal immigration is not the same as being pro-illegal immigration... Not to mention the fact that "Muslim refugees" that are coming from areas where Sharia is law and "honor killings" are the norm would never integrate to western countries. It is suicide for western nations to take these refugees in, and what has been happening in Europe is clear evidence that this is true.

a reply to: strongfp

What?... Marx wasn't leftwing?... lol... BTW Karl Marx was a drunk who barely worked in his life, he wrote 355 articles for the New York Time tribune from 1952-1962 They weren't lengthly articles either, that was the extend of his work. He lived off his wealthy wife's inheritance, and when she didn't have money he asked his friends for loans, mostly Friedrich Engels, which he never repaid. He spent most of his time in pubs drinking and spewing bs to his wealthy friends. He was born from a fairly wealthy family, and was Jewish himself, yet he hated Jewish people, just like Hitler did. Just like Hitler, Marx also wrote about what he called "the Jewish problem", and he was very much left-wing. NO ONE manipulated any of Marx writings... Just the fact that you are making these claims shows you are not a "centrist slightly right" as you claim.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The whole world is going to #, focusing on one part of the problem is pointless and will not achieve anything worthwhile, I generally disagree with your stance on these matters as I feel you are not taking the bigger picture into account.

Yes immigration is causing problems ,the gap between rich and poor is causing problems, self service of elected officials are causing problems, lack of education is causing problems, planetary cycles and changing weather is causing problems and that's the tip of the iceberg. So I find it pointless focusing on immigration and what are considered legal or even desired immigrants, the issues are broad, complex and far greater than just immigrants causing problems.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The real winners of this us vs them are the status quo who are profiting off our division.

You want to know what scares the hell out of "tptb". A united US populace, if that happens they loose bigly. Because in the end 96% of people want the same thing.

personally I'm prepared to just drive off into the sunset in my truck, with nothing but a sleeping bag and gas cooker.

But fact is, most people aren't even prepared to give up there xbox and 50 inch plasma screen to gain some respect for themselves and stick it to the man. So we're all alone in this world in that sense... you can just walk away from it anytime you want, but you'll be completely on your own.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: SR1TX

I am an immigrant as well, a legal immigrant. Like me, and many others, there are millions of legal immigrants who had to go through the process legally. It took my family and myself almost 10 years to be able to immigrate legally in the U.S. It is a slap in the face that illegal immigrants are getting more money, and more help not only than legal immigrants, but they are getting more money and help than U.S. citizens themselves get for the most part. I am Cuban-American, born and raised part of my life in Cuba, and also in Spain.

The open borders policy that many in the left claim "is good for the country and humanitarian" is neither good nor humanitarian. Mexico deports more people than the U.S. does. All those Cubans who tried to make it, illegally, into Mexico were sent back to Cuba. Hence Mexicans, and anyone else coming illegally to the U.S. should be put in the border and sent back home. If they want to migrate then do it legally. If you are poor and don't make enough money then work hard for years and eventually you will be able to afford it, just like my family and millions of legal immigrants had to do it.

Also, a very large percentage of immigrants these days don't have the same vision as immigrants who have come into this country legally, and assimilated into the American culture. This time immigrants want the U.S. to assimilate to them, want free things, and under former President Obama those people were more than welcomed.

We have not vetted most immigrants coming from the Middle East, and most of them come from areas where radical Islam is in full control. In those countries women are seen as second rate citizens, and in those regions "honor killings" are completely legal. The United States does not have the same laws that those countries have which allow men to treat women as they want. In those countries the women need at least 2 male witnesses that would testified they were raped. If the rapist says it was consensual and the woman does not have 2 male witnesses then authorities in those countries will believe the rapists...

Then we have got some morons even in the U.S. who think President Trump shouldn't have said "why are we allowing so many people from #hole countries"... Those same morons don't care that several of these refugees, not only from the Middle East but also from south of the border with Mexico, have committed many crimes including murder, robberies, assault, true sexual assaults on women, etc, etc...

We saw, and still see in Europe what happens when you have an open border policy, and we have seen how thousands of immigrants from the Middle East sexually assaulted women, robbed them, attacked their boyfriends or friends for trying to defend them etc...

The morons in the German government told women in several cities in response not to go out alone... Instead of actually going after the Muslim immigrants who have been violent and have committed these crimes... Then when these same Muslim radicals started attacking women in droves in music festivals the morons in the governments in Europe started giving women some wristbands in which it said something like "don't grope me"... As if that is going to stop any radical from any nation to stop sexually assaulting women... The same problems have been occurring in public pools...

The other morons in the governments in Europe have been doing the same thing the morons in the government of Germany have been doing... Not to mention that instead of actually addressing these real problems, these moronic world elites in the governments of Europe started going after citizens who would complain in social media about what the "refugees" have been doing in Europe... For example when an old lady posted in Facebook that she saw a "refugee" defecating in the streets her government decided to go after her and she has been facing jail time for doing this...

But hey, the Obama administration were also morons who have been trying to do the same things the idiots in charge in Europe have been doing... Obama ordered for all official reports to stop writing "radical Islam" in their reports... When "refuges" have been committing crimes the governments in Europe and the Obama administration tried to hide these crimes and instead call people who complain about these real problems as "being xenophobic and racists"... It doesn't matter if many of the people complaining are actually part of minorities, which it shouldn't matter because even if white men or women who were born in the U.S. are victims of crimes from "refugees" or "illegal immigrants" the victims shouldn't be treated or made to look like they are the criminals...

My god you have a really messed up world view.

Yeah Electric... enough of this common sense stuff you speak of, we're having nothing to do with it.

originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: SR1TX

I am an immigrant as well, a legal immigrant. Like me, and many others, there are millions of legal immigrants who had to go through the process legally. It took my family and myself almost 10 years to be able to immigrate legally in the U.S. It is a slap in the face that illegal immigrants are getting more money, and more help not only than legal immigrants, but they are getting more money and help than U.S. citizens themselves get for the most part. I am Cuban-American, born and raised part of my life in Cuba, and also in Spain.

The open borders policy that many in the left claim "is good for the country and humanitarian" is neither good nor humanitarian. Mexico deports more people than the U.S. does. All those Cubans who tried to make it, illegally, into Mexico were sent back to Cuba. Hence Mexicans, and anyone else coming illegally to the U.S. should be put in the border and sent back home. If they want to migrate then do it legally. If you are poor and don't make enough money then work hard for years and eventually you will be able to afford it, just like my family and millions of legal immigrants had to do it.

Also, a very large percentage of immigrants these days don't have the same vision as immigrants who have come into this country legally, and assimilated into the American culture. This time immigrants want the U.S. to assimilate to them, want free things, and under former President Obama those people were more than welcomed.

We have not vetted most immigrants coming from the Middle East, and most of them come from areas where radical Islam is in full control. In those countries women are seen as second rate citizens, and in those regions "honor killings" are completely legal. The United States does not have the same laws that those countries have which allow men to treat women as they want. In those countries the women need at least 2 male witnesses that would testified they were raped. If the rapist says it was consensual and the woman does not have 2 male witnesses then authorities in those countries will believe the rapists...

Then we have got some morons even in the U.S. who think President Trump shouldn't have said "why are we allowing so many people from #hole countries"... Those same morons don't care that several of these refugees, not only from the Middle East but also from south of the border with Mexico, have committed many crimes including murder, robberies, assault, true sexual assaults on women, etc, etc...

We saw, and still see in Europe what happens when you have an open border policy, and we have seen how thousands of immigrants from the Middle East sexually assaulted women, robbed them, attacked their boyfriends or friends for trying to defend them etc...

The morons in the German government told women in several cities in response not to go out alone... Instead of actually going after the Muslim immigrants who have been violent and have committed these crimes... Then when these same Muslim radicals started attacking women in droves in music festivals the morons in the governments in Europe started giving women some wristbands in which it said something like "don't grope me"... As if that is going to stop any radical from any nation to stop sexually assaulting women... The same problems have been occurring in public pools...

The other morons in the governments in Europe have been doing the same thing the morons in the government of Germany have been doing... Not to mention that instead of actually addressing these real problems, these moronic world elites in the governments of Europe started going after citizens who would complain in social media about what the "refugees" have been doing in Europe... For example when an old lady posted in Facebook that she saw a "refugee" defecating in the streets her government decided to go after her and she has been facing jail time for doing this...

But hey, the Obama administration were also morons who have been trying to do the same things the idiots in charge in Europe have been doing... Obama ordered for all official reports to stop writing "radical Islam" in their reports... When "refuges" have been committing crimes the governments in Europe and the Obama administration tried to hide these crimes and instead call people who complain about these real problems as "being xenophobic and racists"... It doesn't matter if many of the people complaining are actually part of minorities, which it shouldn't matter because even if white men or women who were born in the U.S. are victims of crimes from "refugees" or "illegal immigrants" the victims shouldn't be treated or made to look like they are the criminals...

My god you have a really messed up world view.

Yeah Electric... enough of this common sense stuff you speak of, we're having nothing to do with it.

Common sense..... Bwuhahahahahaha.... Good one...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

We do have immigration laws for many reasons. Do you not think they should be enforced?

We also have more vanishing natural resources than most people want to admit. At the rate we're going the quality of life for future generations looks bleak.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

You still fail to differentiate immigration and illegal immigration or "open border policies"... immigration is not the problem. Illegal immigration and the "open border policies" are the problem.

originally posted by: mtnshredder
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

We do have immigration laws for many reasons. Do you not think they should be enforced?

We also have more vanishing natural resources than most people want to admit. At the rate we're going the quality of life for future generations looks bleak.

Of course immigration laws should be enforced, that's not why natural resources are getting slim though, it's a cop out to blame immigrants for blatant mismanagement, illegal immigrants are the current scape goat for government not doing their job and looking to shift blame, look no further than the current shutdown, remember the pricks that shut it down are still getting paid with your tax money.