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originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: carewemust
Trump and his followers are idiots.
Perhaps in light of this as a case for biomedical ethics, hospitals can have some alternative procedural guidelines so as not to force someone to perform a late second trimester abortion, which likely would have been and was quite gruesome.
Why do people on the left consistently refuse to take into consideration all points of the argument? Its not even just religious grounds. Its a live baby. There are two lives at stake.
originally posted by: Painterz
So religious people are free to impose their personal beliefs upon other people who might not share those beliefs?
Well that's not freedom is it. That's allowing one group of people to impose their personal beliefs onto everybody else.
The young woman had arrived at Wheaton Franciscan-St. Joseph hospital in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in labor. She was 18 weeks pregnant, and her twin fetuses were long from viable. She miscarried one fetus within hours of admission, but her labor stalled while the second still had a heartbeat. Because the hospital followed rules issued by the Catholic Church, until the patient hemorrhaged or showed at least two signs of infection—fever of 100.4 or higher, uterine tenderness, rapid heart rate, or rapid fetal heart rate—Ralph could do little except watch her sicken.
So Ralph’s team trimmed the umbilical cord from the miscarried twin as short as possible to minimize the infection risk, and waited overnight.
After about 10 hours, the patient’s temperature soared to 102 or 103 degrees, Ralph recalled in an interview with Rewire in June, a few months after the incident. Ralph and her team gave the patient medication to induce labor. But Ralph could not administer mifepristone, which the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) considers part of the most effective drug regimen for such cases. The Catholic hospital didn’t carry the drug, which is commonly used for medication abortions—a failure Ralph believes was religiously motivated and needlessly prolonged her patient’s labor.
At first, the patient’s goals seemed to align with the hospital’s rules, Ralph said: She wanted to try to continue her pregnancy to a viable gestation, even though the chances were slim. But as she rapidly sickened, she and her family pleaded with Ralph to speed up the process of ending her pregnancy. Ralph felt powerless. The fastest, safest method for terminating a second-trimester pregnancy—a surgical procedure called dilation and evacuation (D and E)—was not offered at St. Joseph, where no supervising physicians were capable of performing the common abortion procedure, Ralph said.
For more than 24 hours, the patient labored through painful contractions. She bled heavily, requiring at least one blood transfusion. Her lips and face lost their color. Finally, she delivered a fetus that had no hope of survival.
If the patient had gone to Froedtert Hospital, about five miles away, she would likely have been offered the option of a surgical abortion or induction, without having to get sick first. If she had chosen induction, she could have received mifepristone.
originally posted by: BotheLumberJack
No one seemed to give 2 before Obama changed the 'rules'. So why now that Trumps changed it back to the way it was, is it suddenly an Issue filled with Liberal angst?
The reality is that the Trump HHS has issued a notice of a proposed rule (essentially, a draft regulation for public review and comment), that will empower the agency to robustly enforce multiple statutes passed by Congress and signed by presidents from both parties — statutes that the Obama administration had unlawfully and unilaterally revised or undermined.
In other words, the Trump administration intends to enforce the law as written, creating a Conscience and Religious Freedom Division within the civil-rights office of HHS. The only scandal here is the enduring (mainly progressive) idea that the executive branch can or should possess the authority to ignore or change laws passed by Congress. The religion of the Trump officials is irrelevant. Only their actions matter.
The Obama Administration was a rule-making machine. A lot of them were not needed, and most of them were not wanted. That's why they're being scaled back, or totally eliminated.