U.S. HealthCare Workers Are Free To Follow Their Beliefs and Conscience Again.

a reply to: carewemust

I take it in the interest of not being a hypocrite you'll support the Church of Satan's stance on not providing medical care of any kind towards white conservative men? If its their religious prerogative that demands they let these folk die, you'd be cool with that I'd hope.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

Do you, in your wildest thought think a GP does that kind of surgery?..if so give your head a shake.
There are specialists who do it.

a reply to: Swills

lol and where can you cite an incident that that event would ever happen. It's like saying people are free to jump off a building, but will they?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
How is this a good thing? The purpose of healthcare workers is to help others. Hell, the Hippocratic Oath pretty much says that you pledge to help others no matter what.

I bet if healthcare workers chose to stop helping people that support Trump there would be major backlash among those that act like this is a good thing. But as long as it seems like it just allows service to be denied to gays and transsexuals it's a good thing.

Please don't talk about the Hippocratic
oath while suggesting that doctors and nurses should be forced to perform abortion which is killing a human life.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Nyiah


If they didn't do that to people for 230 years, before the 2011 rule took effect, it's not likely that they'll let you die needlessly when the 2011 rule is removed.

If they weren't doing it before, then why was there ever a need to make a law saying otherwise?

Answer: Because it was being done to many other people under other circumstances and with other religious excuses. THAT is why it was needed.

Maybe we should consider prohibiting the religious from working in medicine, unless they contractually agree to suspend any "religious hangups". Part sarcasm, part serious.

The whole thing was about abortion services not blood transfusions. I'm sure you knew that already.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
How is this a good thing? The purpose of healthcare workers is to help others. Hell, the Hippocratic Oath pretty much says that you pledge to help others no matter what.

I bet if healthcare workers chose to stop helping people that support Trump there would be major backlash among those that act like this is a good thing. But as long as it seems like it just allows service to be denied to gays and transsexuals it's a good thing.

Please don't talk about the Hippocratic
oath while suggesting that doctors and nurses should be forced to perform abortion which is killing a human life.

Please show some proof of all these supposed doctors being forced to perform abortions against their will.

a reply to: Annee

Hi Annee...it's been a while.

I just wanted to point out that we agree on this topic, I think...it's nice to find common ground with those whom I have had "interesting" discussions in the past.

How can anyone say that discrimination, no matter what form it takes is OK?

Why is it that conservatives are always talking about how bad sharia law is yet they want the exact thing just under a different name and a different religion?

a reply to: carewemust

well, unless those rules allow doctors that are working in the catholic care system follow their conscious when it comes to treating ectopic pregnancies and miscarriages...
the title of this thread is a tad bit misleading.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: carewemust

I take it in the interest of not being a hypocrite you'll support the Church of Satan's stance on not providing medical care of any kind towards white conservative men? If its their religious prerogative that demands they let these folk die, you'd be cool with that I'd hope.

Whatever the rules for U.S. medical professionals were in 2010, I'm 110% OK with returning to them.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: carewemust

well, unless those rules allow doctors that are working in the catholic care system follow their conscious when it comes to treating ectopic pregnancies and miscarriages...
the title of this thread is a tad bit misleading.

The title of this thread is from the perspective of Health and Human Services. Not from any particular religion's perspective.

a reply to: carewemust

umm... let's put this to you another way, if a gyn/ob happens to live in an area where the only hospital within a 100 miles is a catholic hospital, is the gov't prepared to protect his right to follow his conscious and follow the most acceptable practices recognized by the AMA, or is the gov't more inclined to protect the catholic hospital system's ability to force him to ignore his own conscious?
and don't tell me that well, if he don't like the way the hospital system runs, he should find another employer unless you are willing to see the possibility of some of these areas lacking ob/gyns.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
How is this a good thing? The purpose of healthcare workers is to help others. Hell, the Hippocratic Oath pretty much says that you pledge to help others no matter what.

I bet if healthcare workers chose to stop helping people that support Trump there would be major backlash among those that act like this is a good thing. But as long as it seems like it just allows service to be denied to gays and transsexuals it's a good thing.

Please don't talk about the Hippocratic
oath while suggesting that doctors and nurses should be forced to perform abortion which is killing a human life.

Please show some proof of all these supposed doctors being forced to perform abortions against their will.

It's not a matter of proof but a matter of principle m.washingtontimes.com...

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: carewemust

umm... let's put this to you another way, if a gyn/ob happens to live in an area where the only hospital within a 100 miles is a catholic hospital, is the gov't prepared to protect his right to follow his conscious and follow the most acceptable practices recognized by the AMA, or is the gov't more inclined to protect the catholic hospital system's ability to force him to ignore his own conscious?
and don't tell me that well, if he don't like the way the hospital system runs, he should find another employer unless you are willing to see the possibility of some of these areas lacking ob/gyns.

Are you referring to
A doctors right to perform abortions? If it's that important to him he could always move somewhere else where a practice promotes abortion services. But I see you have mixed up miscarriage with straight up voluntary abortion on demand, and you and I both know those are two different things. Why must people on the left use such obfuscating tactics?

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

A nonsense article unrelated to what you was asked for...

And from it;

...hospitals, insurance companies and other health care entities that receive federal funding must cover or perform abortions and sex-reassignment surgeries, even if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Then they should give up their government/tax payer hand outs if they wish to flaunt their religiosity.

Abortionists are specialists... trained in the procedural process...
No one goes through that training unless they have already chosen to perform abortions.

You’re literally all very ignorant of that fact because you keep repeating contradictory gobbledygook.




I still wouldn’t want a doctor forced to work on my healthcare though, in any sense.
That’s a path towards potential malpractice out of malice.


Here’s one to ponder...


We have these;

1) The Right to freely practice your religion...

2) The Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

3) The Right to not be discriminated against...



Then we have this;
Your Rights End where another’s begin.



So... Who’s Rights are sacrificed/nullified in this conundrum?
& how could it possibly be justified either way?




Can anyone say flustercuck?

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

a miscarriage is a natural abortion.

the problem comes in when the miscarriage begins but the contents aren't expelled easily.

The first option involves what is often termed "expectant management": watching carefully for problems but letting tissues pass on their own.

If bleeding is heavy, pain severe, or expectant management is unappealing, you and your obstetrician/gynecologist (OB/GYN) may choose a procedure called a dilation and curettage (D & C) to gently stretch open your cervix and remove any remaining fetal tissue from your uterus.

A third option for managing first trimester losses involves using medicines placed in the vagina or between your cheek and gum (most often by you at home) to promote the passage of tissue. This last option means less time spent waiting than with expectant management, and in most cases avoids procedures such as D&C.

You and your providers can discuss which option is best for you.

www.drugs.com...

it seems that as long as there is a heartbeat, the catholic hospitals will be inclined to rely solely on the first option, which endangers the women's health if not life.
it's easy to say the doctors, if they don't like this policy can go find someplace else to work, but if the hospital is the only one within 100 or 150 miles, I fail to see just how them moving onto another place improves the healthcare of the residents of the area.

the rights granted to us through the constitution gives people the right to follow their conscious and and religious beliefs, it doesn't give them to businesses or big religiously run healthcare networks like the catholic hospital system. If you truly believe in the right for all individuals to follow their conscious in the workplace, then that right to also be extended to the doctors who have to work with these hospitals, many of whom have spoken out against the policies of the catholic hospitals.

a reply to: carewemust


Forcing people to do things that would go against their personal religious beliefs is a definition of tyranny.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

it's my understanding that all ob/gyn are given training in abortion during their residencies, although they may elect not to be if they have a religious/moral issue with it. Since they may run into instances where the procedure is necessary to ensure the health of the mother, it's kind of necessary that they know how to do it safely.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Theprodicalson
Abortions and Trangender surgeries are not life threatening medical emergancys.

If a doctor refuses to do it then the patient has plenty of time to find another doctor.

There isn't a problem of doctors being forced to do abortions or plastic surgeries against their will. In order to do those surgeries you have to be a special kind of surgeon. Performing abortions or plastic surgery is something you sign up willingly to do. Seriously, stop repeating rhetoric blindly and use your head...

Thank you.

I have trouble with "ridiculousness".

Besides, those of us who have been on here for years - - know the core of this issue.