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I argued this
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
You are using the same logic as those blaming Trump for division, except your target is the media.
Big difference is the media is intentionally dividing us.
Trump simply does it by being a douche.
The important part is how you let it effect you. Defending the media is not earning you any points in the logic department...
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
I argued this
Yes, I know. Repeating yourself does not give more weight to your argument, or lack thereof.
You are using the very argument against the media that you claim others use against Trump. The media does not have magical powers, or god-like if you will, and neither does Trump.
Each individual is responsible for their own individual "stressors", what triggers those "stressors" and how they respond to it, regardless of what they hear on the news or what Donald Trump says.
So your approach, which is more of a matter of changing the focus and not logic, appears to be contradictory.
Interesting, very interesting choice of words......! And yes, I KNOW.
It reminds us that though some people would never admit to treating Trump like a god, they no less attribute to him mystical and god-like powers, blaming him as the source of their own anxieties.
You do not know, and pretending you do doesn’t help you in the slightest.
I am not using the very same argument. You can quote me, or otherwise show me where I went wrong, because so far you’re making claims without backing it up, as usual
Besides, the argument is that Trump is not the source of the political divide, something you seem to agree with.
What an odd statement. Of course I know what your argument was/is. What you quoted was in your OP, so I've already read it and I'm not sure why you think you had to post it again.
I already did show you where you went wrong. The very same argument you make for Trump can logically be extended to those you are blaming, the media.
Does the media have magical powers that Trump does not?
I do agree with that. Where I disagree is you taking the very same illogical position you claim to be refuting in the OP and turning it back towards the media as being the cause of said divide.
Well, the media does not have magical powers. The media cannot force people to believe one thing or another, much like Trump cannot force people to become politically divided. People choose what they let divide them, correct?
Like I said earlier, your thread may look good on the surface and appeal to those that latch-on to shiny objects like a curious monkey, but at the heart of it your argument is illogical and just as fallacious as the arguments you claim to refute.
originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Trump is the poster boy for divisiveness. What have you been smoking?
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
I argued this
Yes, I know. Repeating yourself does not give more weight to your argument, or lack thereof.
You are using the very argument against the media that you claim others use against Trump. The media does not have magical powers, or god-like if you will, and neither does Trump.
Each individual is responsible for their own individual "stressors", what triggers those "stressors" and how they respond to it, regardless of what they hear on the news or what Donald Trump says.
So your approach, which is more of a matter of changing the focus and not logic, appears to be contradictory.
originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Trump is the poster boy for divisiveness. What have you been smoking?
It is never the duty of the writer or publisher to weigh in advance the future possibility of violent reprisal for writing or speaking—it is always, and always will be, the duty of the offended to get over their feelings before they start beating people to death.
Unless someone is willing to evoke some sort of action at a distance, those who are offended by free speech are the perpetrators of their own pain. Even the most derogatory of insults cannot fly through the air impaling its victims. That old adage “the pen is mightier than the sword” is absurd when practiced literally. Anyone who has brought a pen to a sword fight will be left the only one bleeding.
I blamed the media for their false reporting, for their outrage over comments, and for contributing to stress. All of which you dismissed with a hand wave. That's why your little retort is stupid both at heart, and on the surface.
So for you to say the media is responsible for the political divide, it is an act of superstitious belief on your part in which you attribute "magical powers" to the media.
If you are to be consistent in your own logic, how can you blame the media for "contributing to stress" when your entire argument in many discussions has been that the onus of how one reacts to words in general is on the individual receiving it, not the person(s) exercising their free speech, such as Trump or the media?
Not to mention it appears that this thread directly contradicts specific ideals or narratives you have purposefully tried to push in other threads.
You can quote me where I said the media was responsible for the political divide.
A far more accurate, less superstitious theory as to why the country is so divided was proposed by the man himself at a rally in Phoenix:...
This seems to me demonstrably true.
Stress is a bodily response to perceived threats, whether real or imagined. The perceived threat in this case is the media's false portrayal of the president. That, and the analysis provided by the APA, is how I can blame the media for contributing for stress.
It appears all you can do is cry foul without ever backing it up.
A far more accurate, less superstitious theory as to why the country is so divided was proposed by the man himself at a rally in Phoenix:...
This seems to me demonstrably true.
And in blaming the media you contradict yourself. I gave you two examples in which you clearly state the responsibility of how one reacts to words, etc, is on the person hearing the words.
Now you are trying to make the case that the responsibility is on the media for how others react to their words.
Well, which is it? You can't pick and choose because it fits your current narrative, when in the past you have taken a different position.
I did back it up. With quotes and links, which you requested.
Stick your fingers in you ears and hum all you like. You clearly contradicted yourself and left it wide open for anyone to easily point out.
Stick your fingers in you ears and hum all you like.
It is a far more accurate, far less superstitious theory. I argued that people get their information about Trump, whether true or otherwise, from the media. The media argues that it is Trump, and not them, that divides the country. I don't see any contradiction here.
I never blamed the media.
I blamed the media for their false reporting, for their outrage over comments, and for contributing to stress.
Yes, how one reacts to words is his responsibility, not the media's. I never said it was otherwise, and that's why your claims of contradiction are false.
That's not how it works. You've scoured my threads for signs of contradiction, but you are unable to show why its a contradiction.