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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Grambler
I think Hillarys deplorable s line has to rank much higher in the disgust column then anything Trump may have said .
originally posted by: soberbacchus
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They’re racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic — Islamophobic — you name it."
I'd say about half of Trump's hardcore supporters qualify for that description.
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Grambler
I think Hillarys deplorable s line has to rank much higher in the disgust column then anything Trump may have said .
Nope. I am no Hillary fan, but she was right there.
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They’re racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic — Islamophobic — you name it."
I'd say about half of Trump's hardcore supporters qualify for that description.
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Grambler
I think Hillarys deplorable s line has to rank much higher in the disgust column then anything Trump may have said .
Nope. I am no Hillary fan, but she was right there.
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They’re racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic — Islamophobic — you name it."
I'd say about half of Trump's hardcore supporters qualify for that description.
So using the same logic that is being used aginst trump for his comment,
You are a racist
originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Not to split hairs, but Racists and those willing to exploit racial issues for their own ambition are two different kinds crappy people.
There are GOP in DC who might appear racist at first glance, but what they are actually doing is pandering to racists for votes, just like their are Dems in DC who appear concerned with racial issues while in reality they are just pandering to minorities for votes.
Then there are actual racists.
originally posted by: Spider879
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Spider879
originally posted by: theantediluvian
originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
That #hole comment really triggered the # out of you huh?
Me? Not really. I expect that from Trump because he's a douche bag. So, no. It sure as hell as triggered a lot of bizarre defenses from his supporters though.
It triggered the hell outta me, cut too close to home.
out of curiosity, is there any place on Earth you might consider to be a "sh!thole"?
Yes but not the people, as I stated in another thread all our ancestors came from sht hole places, from Plymouth rock to boat ppl, and unlike some , recent African immigrants are the highest educated group in the U .S so how is that for merit base,
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Not to split hairs, but Racists and those willing to exploit racial issues for their own ambition are two different kinds crappy people.
There are GOP in DC who might appear racist at first glance, but what they are actually doing is pandering to racists for votes, just like their are Dems in DC who appear concerned with racial issues while in reality they are just pandering to minorities for votes.
Then there are actual racists.
That's like saying slave owners weren't actually as bad as your typical racist because they only exploited Africans.
two different kinds crappy people.
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Not to split hairs, but Racists and those willing to exploit racial issues for their own ambition are two different kinds crappy people.
There are GOP in DC who might appear racist at first glance, but what they are actually doing is pandering to racists for votes, just like their are Dems in DC who appear concerned with racial issues while in reality they are just pandering to minorities for votes.
Then there are actual racists.
That's like saying slave owners weren't actually as bad as your typical racist because they only exploited Africans.
Perhaps read my post again.
two different kinds crappy people.
I didn't assign points to who was crappier.
As to your point, a debate about who was worse, the new world capitalist that exploited slaves for money but otherwise was not racist, or the slave owner or average Caucasian that literally saw slaves as less than human.
Would it matter to a slave in the fields? It's a debate worth having, but I am not interested in this thread, time or place.
I said they DIFFERENT kinds of crappy people...not better.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Not to split hairs, but Racists and those willing to exploit racial issues for their own ambition are two different kinds crappy people.
There are GOP in DC who might appear racist at first glance, but what they are actually doing is pandering to racists for votes, just like their are Dems in DC who appear concerned with racial issues while in reality they are just pandering to minorities for votes.
Then there are actual racists.
That's like saying slave owners weren't actually as bad as your typical racist because they only exploited Africans.
Perhaps read my post again.
two different kinds crappy people.
I didn't assign points to who was crappier.
As to your point, a debate about who was worse, the new world capitalist that exploited slaves for money but otherwise was not racist, or the slave owner or average Caucasian that literally saw slaves as less than human.
Would it matter to a slave in the fields? It's a debate worth having, but I am not interested in this thread, time or place.
I said they DIFFERENT kinds of crappy people...not better.
Ok, fair enough. Both are crappy. I am saying the exploiters are crappier though.
If white, male, Trump supporters hear dog whistles...they are hearing them for a reason. The same reason that women hear whistles that say they matter. The same reason that black people hear whistles that say they matter.
We all want to matter.
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Not to split hairs, but Racists and those willing to exploit racial issues for their own ambition are two different kinds crappy people.
There are GOP in DC who might appear racist at first glance, but what they are actually doing is pandering to racists for votes, just like their are Dems in DC who appear concerned with racial issues while in reality they are just pandering to minorities for votes.
Then there are actual racists.
That's like saying slave owners weren't actually as bad as your typical racist because they only exploited Africans.
Perhaps read my post again.
two different kinds crappy people.
I didn't assign points to who was crappier.
As to your point, a debate about who was worse, the new world capitalist that exploited slaves for money but otherwise was not racist, or the slave owner or average Caucasian that literally saw slaves as less than human.
Would it matter to a slave in the fields? It's a debate worth having, but I am not interested in this thread, time or place.
I said they DIFFERENT kinds of crappy people...not better.
Ok, fair enough. Both are crappy. I am saying the exploiters are crappier though.
If white, male, Trump supporters hear dog whistles...they are hearing them for a reason. The same reason that women hear whistles that say they matter. The same reason that black people hear whistles that say they matter.
We all want to matter.
Minorities and women are not on equal footing as racists.
And plenty of white males found trumps dog-whistles sickening.
I could not care less if racists feel like they have a voice.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Because racism, despite being pretty clear cut for most people, is still more about thought. Amd a bit about morality. Legislating either is difficult. Amd the result of the effort is some spillover onto the rights of others.
Itd be a whole lot easier if people werent assholes. They ruin it for the rest of us.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Not to split hairs, but Racists and those willing to exploit racial issues for their own ambition are two different kinds crappy people.
There are GOP in DC who might appear racist at first glance, but what they are actually doing is pandering to racists for votes, just like their are Dems in DC who appear concerned with racial issues while in reality they are just pandering to minorities for votes.
Then there are actual racists.
That's like saying slave owners weren't actually as bad as your typical racist because they only exploited Africans.
Perhaps read my post again.
two different kinds crappy people.
I didn't assign points to who was crappier.
As to your point, a debate about who was worse, the new world capitalist that exploited slaves for money but otherwise was not racist, or the slave owner or average Caucasian that literally saw slaves as less than human.
Would it matter to a slave in the fields? It's a debate worth having, but I am not interested in this thread, time or place.
I said they DIFFERENT kinds of crappy people...not better.
Ok, fair enough. Both are crappy. I am saying the exploiters are crappier though.
If white, male, Trump supporters hear dog whistles...they are hearing them for a reason. The same reason that women hear whistles that say they matter. The same reason that black people hear whistles that say they matter.
We all want to matter.
Minorities and women are not on equal footing as racists.
And plenty of white males found trumps dog-whistles sickening.
I could not care less if racists feel like they have a voice.
It's unsettling how when a woman or a black person says "I'm made to feel like I am lesser for my gender or color of my skin. It hurts." People regard that as worthy and important.
If a white man says it...he is scoffed at.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Because racism, despite being pretty clear cut for most people, is still more about thought. Amd a bit about morality. Legislating either is difficult. Amd the result of the effort is some spillover onto the rights of others.
Itd be a whole lot easier if people werent assholes. They ruin it for the rest of us.
I understand why it is ruined for the rest of us. Believe me I do.
However, I have a choice to try to 'ruin it for others' or take a more reasoned approach. There are white homeless men filling the underpass a mile from my house. Their whiteness and maleness aren't giving them much privilege. I can't pretend it does just to suit people's thoughts.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Because racism, despite being pretty clear cut for most people, is still more about thought. Amd a bit about morality. Legislating either is difficult. Amd the result of the effort is some spillover onto the rights of others.
Itd be a whole lot easier if people werent assholes. They ruin it for the rest of us.
I understand why it is ruined for the rest of us. Believe me I do.
However, I have a choice to try to 'ruin it for others' or take a more reasoned approach. There are white homeless men filling the underpass a mile from my house. Their whiteness and maleness aren't giving them much privilege. I can't pretend it does just to suit people's thoughts.
I'd say pretend nothing. Thats my approach, anyway.
I have to be honest with myself at the very least. And that usually means im honest with others.
Nonetheless, i see it, too. Homelessness certainly knows no specific demographic.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Because racism, despite being pretty clear cut for most people, is still more about thought. Amd a bit about morality. Legislating either is difficult. Amd the result of the effort is some spillover onto the rights of others.
Itd be a whole lot easier if people werent assholes. They ruin it for the rest of us.
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Not to split hairs, but Racists and those willing to exploit racial issues for their own ambition are two different kinds crappy people.
There are GOP in DC who might appear racist at first glance, but what they are actually doing is pandering to racists for votes, just like their are Dems in DC who appear concerned with racial issues while in reality they are just pandering to minorities for votes.
Then there are actual racists.
That's like saying slave owners weren't actually as bad as your typical racist because they only exploited Africans.
Perhaps read my post again.
two different kinds crappy people.
I didn't assign points to who was crappier.
As to your point, a debate about who was worse, the new world capitalist that exploited slaves for money but otherwise was not racist, or the slave owner or average Caucasian that literally saw slaves as less than human.
Would it matter to a slave in the fields? It's a debate worth having, but I am not interested in this thread, time or place.
I said they DIFFERENT kinds of crappy people...not better.
Ok, fair enough. Both are crappy. I am saying the exploiters are crappier though.
If white, male, Trump supporters hear dog whistles...they are hearing them for a reason. The same reason that women hear whistles that say they matter. The same reason that black people hear whistles that say they matter.
We all want to matter.
Minorities and women are not on equal footing as racists.
And plenty of white males found trumps dog-whistles sickening.
I could not care less if racists feel like they have a voice.
It's unsettling how when a woman or a black person says "I'm made to feel like I am lesser for my gender or color of my skin. It hurts." People regard that as worthy and important.
If a white man says it...he is scoffed at.
Yes...the poor oppressed white man. Who looks to solve their victimhood by discriminating, oppressing, lynching, segregating (whatever) African Americans.
Lord help me...
Yes, white men have problems too, but those can be recognized and addressed without blaming it on brown people.
originally posted by: soberbacchus
BTW - expect stars for that post, cuz it is straight up white supremacist recruitment rhetoric.