Trump vs Obama: What will the history books say?

originally posted by: Eshel
a reply to: JimNasium

It wouldn't take every erection to clean the slates, only the first couple.

Dear god, I hope that's a typo. Otherwise, your plan is going to be "interesting" lol

Non typo. Someone ALWAYS gets screwed....

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
A)There was never an investigation or indictments.

B) There were No, wars he started.

C) The economy only rose.

D) I can think of no “history book” level scandal for obama.

A) Uranium 1? Benghazi? Soon we can add "Fusion GPS" to that... unless you meant from an independent prosecutor. But if you meant that, Obama is in classy company as Richard Nixon was the last prior POTUS to never face an independent prosecutor while in office.

B) Air attacks in Libya (US wasn't previously involved), Attacks in Syria (US wasn't previously involved),

C) The economy bottomed out in his early years, so there wasn't much for it to do other than "improve." At the end of the day, the number of Americans going onto food stamps soared under Obama while corporate profits and the stock market skyrocketed... Growth through the Obama years was anemic at best and required unprecedented Federal Reserve measures to stay artificially alive.

D) Fast & Furious, Benghazi, VA scandal, Pakistan drone strikes, NSA warrantless wiretapping, Exchange of terrorists for an AWOL US soldier, the ridiculous Beer Summit, "If I had a son, he'd look like" assininity, "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan" lie/fiasco, IRS targeting conservative groups, IRS destroying evidence, Hillary destroying evidence, private email servers, ISIS gaining massive ground in Iraq, ACORN.... No "history book" level scandals at all, what a pristine 8 years of untreated sewage. Have a swim and a swig.

a reply to: watchitburn

Hard to argue that..

I mean I have seen no evidence of Obama’s corruption specifically, but in American politics I think it is fair to say corruption is assumed lol.

However, I would add politician to trumps as well.

Trump: corrupt buisnessman AND politician.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Could have done more has only made the history books once to my knowledge..

And that was Lincoln’s predecessor..

There is no civil war/abolition level event to make “could have done more” historically relevant.

a reply to: lordcomac

I think your right..

We used to have a few letters and written first person accounts. How we have years of their lives in tape. Kinda changes everything.

Political history wise I think the “Gary Heart” case is accredited with the shift.


Previous to his adultery allegations , personal lives were irrelevant to the press.

Regarding the list of Obama's "Scandals."

Your list belies how bottomed-out the right has become.

That is just a pile of buzzwords into paragraph-like assertions with no basis whatsoever into any of it, none.

Just as one example, the "IRS targeting" is laughable. The IRS had the same program applied to liberal leaning groups, indeed the only people that had their tax exemption pulled were two liberal groups. There is also the fact that the exemption is for non-political groups and I'd love to hear how it is that the "Tea Party" isn't a political group that should've been flagged.

Benghazi won't die because the actual facts don't matter at all. It was investigated and investigated, and the Republicans themselves that wanted to nail Obama's hide hardest found nothing scandalous. In fact, the House committee that finally gave up released its report finding no wrongdoing late on a Friday afternoon prior to a 3 day weekend.

But, that's what's so typical, whether any scandalous happened is completely beside the point. Same as how you consider the economy as "had bottomed out" and "could only go up" - oh no it couldn't. It could've easily continued to go down, no rule at all saying the U.S. had to pull out of that recession when it did. The Great Depression lasted almost 10 years. Had Obama not pushed to save the auto-industry (thanks Obama) and pushed stimulus, who knows. Congress was involved, too, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a great deal.

"You can keep your doctor." - You can. Whether your doctor accepts your health insurance is the same problem a person had going into the program. Doctors were continually dropping which insurance they took prior to Obamacare. It was the doctors that left you, not the government getting in the way.

I'm not putting Obama on Mt. Rushmore, but looking at a president prior to Obama that started a war that was neither necessary, won, or finished, committed war crimes during it, lost New Orleans, then tanked the economy, Obama was a resounding success.

You follow it with Trump, the only man to come to that office already in partnership with criminals from another country, collusion or not, and then fires the FBI Director investigating him? Already, just that, makes him one of the most corrupt, compromised presidents ever. Any other Republican would've been better

a reply to: JoshuaCox

The history as written by the Left will favor Obama, as written by the Right will favor Trump.

I'm neither hot nor cold for either side at the moment and pretty sickened by the childish feuds and politics of division by both sides. My history would be; both sides could have done great things, but put their own futures ahead of doing their jobs and we all suffered for it.

Both sides gave us hate and not much of anything else because both sides were in perpetual campaigning mode, did not have time to work on the peoples business and were incapable of being real leaders because they were too childish minded to compromise for the good of the country. ...and the voters from both sides deserve it for falling for it.

originally posted by: Scrubdog
But, that's what's so typical, whether any scandalous happened is completely beside the point.

LMAO!!! You make the above statement and then later state... wait for it,

Trump, the only man to come to that office already in partnership with criminals from another country, collusion or not, and then fires the FBI Director investigating him?

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE


We get it, you dislike the guy currently sitting in the Oval Office. We hear you, we simply have better things to do than chase Chinese Whispers and molify people suffering from psychological projection related phantom ailments.

Obama will be revealed as a criminal in the future as well as the rest of the Great American crime families such as the Kennedies, Clinton's and Bush's

a reply to: JoshuaCox


Depends on who writes the history books.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: JoshuaCox

The history as written by the Left will favor Obama, as written by the Right will favor Trump.

I'm neither hot nor cold for either side at the moment and pretty sickened by the childish feuds and politics of division by both sides. My history would be; both sides could have done great things, but put their own futures ahead of doing their jobs and we all suffered for it.

Both sides gave us hate and not much of anything else because both sides were in perpetual campaigning mode, did not have time to work on the peoples business and were incapable of being real leaders because they were too childish minded to compromise for the good of the country. ...and the voters from both sides deserve it for falling for it.

thats exactly how i see it aswell. they both fight at making sure the other accomplishes nothing cause that means the other side had a success and in turn they somehow failed. its a terrible self defeating logic that screws us the people. its a trend that seems to have really taken hold the last few admins.

a reply to: TheScale

Turning elections into sporting events has certainly done a lot of damage. It would not be possible to do what they have were the voters in general not apathetic enough to fall for it and keep them in office. History will not look kindly on this. I don't think history can be written, that is even remotely unbiased, for maybe a century or more.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: TheScale

Turning elections into sporting events has certainly done a lot of damage. It would not be possible to do what they have were the voters in general not apathetic enough to fall for it and keep them in office. History will not look kindly on this. I don't think history can be written, that is even remotely unbiased, for maybe a century or more.

dont hold your breath. most of history is full of half truths or outright lies. not much to be done we just have to hopefully evolve away from that cause its in our dna to portray ourselves and our actions in the best light possible even if its a lie.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: watchitburn

Hard to argue that..

I mean I have seen no evidence of Obama’s corruption specifically, but in American politics I think it is fair to say corruption is assumed lol.

However, I would add politician to trumps as well.

Trump: corrupt buisnessman AND politician.

Go take a look into how Obama got his Senate seat in Illinois.

a reply to: Eshel

Yea man I’m not sure how many erections it will take, but I know it takes 5 to screw in a lightbulb.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Really I think it is more correct to say the south started the war when they fired on a civilian vessel attempting a HUMANITARIAN MISSION to resupply fort Sumner..

To which even one of the confederates was quoted as saying,

The firing on that fort will inaugurate a civil war greater than any the world has yet seen…you will lose us every friend at the North. You will wantonly strike a hornet’s nest which extends from mountains to ocean. Legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary. It puts us in the wrong. It is fatal.” -Robert Toombs, his words to Jefferson Davis regarding Fort Sumter. Toombs was Confederate Secretary of State but later resigned this position to become a Brigadier General and fight in battles for the Confederacy.

Which was even dumber than it sounds because the fort wasn’t really strategical placed and only held 80 men who were surrounded and totally outgunned.. so there was virtually no way for them to cause any trouble..

The south ceded all right to claim “war of aggression” or “the other guy started it.”

It also gave lincoln all the public opinion he needed to amass an army.

If it wasn’t for their “besmirched southern honor” and instead they had just let them st there until the US government acted first. Then maybe fight defense in depth tactics rather than the WEAKER FORCE INVADING THE SUPERIOR FORCE.

Then likely I’m speaking Confederate right now..

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Scrubdog
But, that's what's so typical, whether any scandalous happened is completely beside the point.

LMAO!!! You make the above statement and then later state... wait for it,

Trump, the only man to come to that office already in partnership with criminals from another country, collusion or not, and then fires the FBI Director investigating him?

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

We get it, you dislike the guy currently sitting in the Oval Office. We hear you, we simply have better things to do than chase Chinese Whispers and molify people suffering from psychological projection related phantom ailments.

Ah, no dissonance whatsoever. And your last paragraph is as rude as one comes to expect nowadays.

There's very little question that Trump assists Russian oligarchs in cleaning their money, unless you believe that many property owners get offers for their florida property at 2x the assessed value from rich Russians.

The fact that Trump has long long been associated with Russian mob money doesn't necessarily mean he colluded with Russians to win the election. I believe they absolutely did collude but I do acknowledge (unlike many) that i am not privy to the evidence that Mueller has, nor am I anywhere near as good a lawyer, so I leave the investigation as to collusion up to him and will accept his presentation.

I'm attempting to be responsible.

That might be the dissonant part to you, that I won't go full all in on the "scandal" without hearing the evidence from the actual investigator. Try it some time instead of simply throwing 7th grade insults.

I totally understand why you ignored the rebuttal you got on all the "Obama Scandals."

You don't find it "odd" that the House oversight committee with Chaffetz and Gowdy et. al. were hard for Obama and Hillary the entire time they were in office and then we haven't heard a peep out of them regarding looking into the grift Trump is getting from his hotels and clubs??? There's nothing to double check there? Or is it all a charade, that what they do is investigate democrats, make anything needed a "scandal" to get you frothing, and then ignore totally whatever a republican does.

I have yet to see an investigation into any ethical concerns from the committee, not one. Odd, isn't it?

No, I don't "like" the current guy in office and neither did any of you until he made his hatred for Obama clear, and then he become sweet in the RW world, the evangelical base that will cover for the guy paying porn stars to shut their mouths after he pays them for other stuff. He lies like he breathes and is a racist, what's not to love?

All of that is just "whatever" stuff, whatever floats the RW boat. But he also represents a huge threat to this country. I have tons of evidence, him trying to lift Russian sanctions, him allowing Putin to clear out our Russian embassy, him doing nothing about 39 states being hacked by Russians, him severely weakening NATO - all things Putin adores. You may want to ignore it, you may think it's all "nothing" - but it IS real. None of that can be rebutted, unless you're the type that simply yells "FAKE" at everything against your boy. Fine. When you want to join the adults and discuss whether America can survive this type of threat, we will be here. Until then, bury your head in the sand and stay out of the way. Throwing cheap shots is harmless, if it keeps you amused.

a reply to: watchitburn

I noticed you couldn’t tell me in under a paragraph, such as you would find in a history book.

So in Summary, you are attempting to write your own history book on the matter, which is what all libs do these days.

Believing the Obama lies is what liberals and Obama supporters have always done very well.

Trump loves America and has already made it SO MUCH BETTER.

Obama hated and still hates America and proved it every single day when he was in office.

Obama: Communist Marxist Maoist policy maker.

Trump: Actual American.

If you want some truth in your personal history book, put that in it.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Do you think there is ANY chance the history books in 20-30 years say that? Lol