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originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: RickinVa
It's a census.
Are you a citizen?
Ummm sure.
Not like they are going to ask for papers to prove it.
Good point, though in the end it does not seem to matter.
Whether or not someone is a legal or illegal citizen is irrelevant to the census and it's usage in deciding how many seats are given to each state.
The number of seats apportioned are dependent upon population and does not take in to account the citizenship status of the people with the population.
That doesn't stop people from fearing the repercussions of being found here illegally.
True, which leads full circle back to what the OP's source discusses. Including a question about citizenship status serves no purpose in regards to the census count and the representation allotted based on population.
It only seems to serve as a potential scare tactic, hoping illegals will opt not to take part in the census, or downplay their household resident numbers, so that they do not raise potential red flags.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: RickinVa
It's a census.
Are you a citizen?
Ummm sure.
Not like they are going to ask for papers to prove it.
Good point, though in the end it does not seem to matter.
Whether or not someone is a legal or illegal citizen is irrelevant to the census and it's usage in deciding how many seats are given to each state.
The number of seats apportioned are dependent upon population and does not take in to account the citizenship status of the people with the population.
That doesn't stop people from fearing the repercussions of being found here illegally.
True, which leads full circle back to what the OP's source discusses. Including a question about citizenship status serves no purpose in regards to the census count and the representation allotted based on population.
It only seems to serve as a potential scare tactic, hoping illegals will opt not to take part in the census, or downplay their household resident numbers, so that they do not raise potential red flags.
They shouldn't be here illegally.
How do you willingly allow foreign citizens to vote on national elections? Does that mean that Democrats are colluding with Mexicans?
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: introvert
I would also add that the constitution allows representation for citizens. For the most part, allowing illegals to vote has been a states rights issue, with it changing based on the times.
100 years ago we were doing this same exercise....purging suffrage for aliens.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MikeA
I was with you until you called speeding a crime.
Its an infraction. A minor point to make, for sure...but when lumping it in with murder, I think its an important distinction to make.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: introvert
I would also add that the constitution allows representation for citizens. For the most part, allowing illegals to vote has been a states rights issue, with it changing based on the times.
100 years ago we were doing this same exercise....purging suffrage for aliens.
The constitution, as it is now, allows for representation of all.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: introvert
I would also add that the constitution allows representation for citizens. For the most part, allowing illegals to vote has been a states rights issue, with it changing based on the times.
100 years ago we were doing this same exercise....purging suffrage for aliens.
The constitution, as it is now, allows for representation of all.
It does.
The states, however, have the determination in how that actually works. Conducting the polling is a states right.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MikeA
You can save your moral outrage, and look up what the term "infraction" means from a legal sense.
originally posted by: MikeA
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MikeA
You can save your moral outrage, and look up what the term "infraction" means from a legal sense.
I know what it means. It means a minor violation. I'm not talking about having a party with the music a little too high. I'm talking about doing 50 through a school zone, not 26. You're right 26 is an infraction, 50 is a crime. They are called traffic laws, not traffic suggestions.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: MikeA
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MikeA
You can save your moral outrage, and look up what the term "infraction" means from a legal sense.
I know what it means. It means a minor violation. I'm not talking about having a party with the music a little too high. I'm talking about doing 50 through a school zone, not 26. You're right 26 is an infraction, 50 is a crime. They are called traffic laws, not traffic suggestions.
No need to get so salty. You said "from speeding to murder". Without further qualification, I thought it best to at least make mention.
originally posted by: MikeA
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: MikeA
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: MikeA
You can save your moral outrage, and look up what the term "infraction" means from a legal sense.
I know what it means. It means a minor violation. I'm not talking about having a party with the music a little too high. I'm talking about doing 50 through a school zone, not 26. You're right 26 is an infraction, 50 is a crime. They are called traffic laws, not traffic suggestions.
No need to get so salty. You said "from speeding to murder". Without further qualification, I thought it best to at least make mention.
I'm not getting salty as you put it. I served in the Coast Guard chasing drug runners and illegals. My son is currently a cop, my daughter is an ADA, my youngest daughter is a CBP officer. My family has been protecting this country since 1729. For me it's black and white, something is a crime or it's not. We can vote for it but once it is we don't get to decide if we want to do it or not.