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originally posted by: theantediluvian
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
If the people that feel that Trump saying Haiti was a s-hole was because of race, then when these same people defend the status quo lottery system that demands people from these countries be brought in, are they not in fact saying they just want to bring in brown people?
Isnt that in itself racist?
You're missing the part where Trump didn't say he wanted to do away with the lottery system and move to a merit-based system. In fact, what he said was that we should give preference to people from one country (Norway) over 56 other countries.
The deal he was being presented with was to dissolve the current lottery system and to take those visas and allocate half to merit-based immigration and another half for people currently under Temporary Protected Status (TPS).
So make sure that you're including Trump among those who want to show a preference based on country of origin. And if you believe those people have got racist opinions, then you must also conclude that Trump's opinions on immigration are racist.
You're missing the part where Trump didn't say he wanted to do away with the lottery system and move to a merit-based system. In fact, what he said was that we should give preference to people from one country (Norway) over 56 other countries.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
If the people that feel that Trump saying Haiti was a s-hole was because of race, then when these same people defend the status quo lottery system that demands people from these countries be brought in, are they not in fact saying they just want to bring in brown people?
Isnt that in itself racist?
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Trump was a piece of # in the 80s, but thanks for sharing how your feels are when people call trump for what he is.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Oh look! Another thread where a Trumpologist
Within the foreign-born population from Africa, educational attainment varied by place of birth. For example, 64% of Egyptian-born individuals were graduates as were 61% from Nigeria, 57% from South Africa, 47% from Kenya and 35% from Ghana. These were the countries with the highest proportion of Africans with bachelor’s and higher degrees.
Again, you ignored the study I provided that showed that immigrants from areas that are crappy countries tend to be more likely to need government welfare when they come in.
Table 3 summarizes welfare usage across immigration status. We divide immigrants into those who are naturalized and does who are not. We call those who are not naturalized citizens “non citizen immigrants”. This category consist of permanent residents, those on visas and those who are illegal immigrants. Interestingly, Table 3 seems to suggest that non-naturalized immigrants use welfare programs more intensively than the naturalized immigrants for all immigrant groups apart from other North Americans (Canada and Bermuda). This result is surprising giving the fact that many non-naturalized immigrants are not eligible for any welfare programs because they are on visas or illegal.
Again, if this is all about race, how isnt the fact that our immigration system overwhelmingly accepts people of countries that happen to not have a majority white population, despite the fact immigrants from European countries and Canada seem to require less government assistance to be successful on average?
Questioning the current lottery based system that requires people be accepted based on country and not merit does not seem racist.
However, if thats the claim, then how is demanding that immigrants be overwhelmingly from non white countries regardless of merit also not racist?
Section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provides for a class of immigrants known as “diversity immigrants,” from countries with historically low rates of immigration to the United States. A limited number of visas are available each fiscal year. The DVs are distributed among six geographic regions and no single country may receive more than seven percent of the available DVs in any one year.
Is that what he did? I think these connections are entirely derived from your own prevelance for connecting words that denote nationality to some perverted idea of race heaven in the depths of your own head.
Fact is, Donald Trump has delt with people of different ethnicities, nationalities, races, in various settings and geographies for decades.
You just sit on your computer.
No I do not trust you have the ability to look into someone’s heart and know their motivations.
In the absence of objective remarks that prove racism, all you have is your own projections.
Let’s put aside for a moment the rib-tickling fact that an adult ran to a popular news organization in order to tattle on the president for saying mean things. Let's forget that for a moment
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Let’s put aside for a moment the rib-tickling fact that an adult ran to a popular news organization in order to tattle on the president for saying mean things. Let's forget that for a moment
So you want us to forget about the reason you posted this thread ........Right so we could all jump on the bandwagon with high 5s qnd maybe a little ass slappin....
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Let’s put aside for a moment the rib-tickling fact that an adult ran to a popular news organization in order to tattle on the president for saying mean things. Let's forget that for a moment
So you want us to forget about the reason you posted this thread ........Right so we could all jump on the bandwagon with high 5s qnd maybe a little ass slappin....
Are you going to go tell on me?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Oh look! Another thread where a Trumpologist sidesteps the actual issue and attacks the media.
It's not the vulgarity of the term nor is it that he described Haiti, the entire continent of Africa and San Salvador as "#holes countries." It's that he denigrated immigrants from these countries (56 in total) and made a blanket assertion that simply by being from Norway, a potential immigrant is inherently more desirable.
What's behind his valuations of these people?
I've already posted some stats on the educational and economic attainments of immigrants from a number of countries that fit his criteria for undesirables. If it was supposed to a statement about merit-based immigration policy, Trump is too ignorant to be trying to lead the conversation.
If not relevant data, what exactly is it that informs Trump's opinions?
It couldn't be the same wingnut nativist ignorance and prejudice plainly evident in his nativist demagoguery could it? It's completely unreasonable to believe that maybe Trump is just an old douche bag who bases decisions on racial/ethnic/other similar prejudices.
Is that what he did? I think these connections are entirely derived from your own prevelance for connecting words that denote nationality to some perverted idea of race heaven in the depths of your own head. Fact is, Donald Trump has delt with people of different ethnicities, nationalities, races, in various settings and geographies for decades.
You just sit on your computer.
No I do not trust you have the ability to look into someone’s heart and know their motivations. In the absence of objective remarks that prove racism, all you have is your own projections.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: theantediluvian
The other evidence your presented was the immigration from India is successful.
Ok how is that relevant? Had trump spoken of india as a bad country, perhaps you would have a point, he did not.