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The Media's Racism

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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The Media’s Racism

Let’s put aside for a moment the rib-tickling fact that an adult ran to a popular news organization in order to tattle on the president for saying mean things. Let's forget that for a moment. All we need know is the president said some politically incorrect things in a meeting. The media found out. Cue the self-righteous, self-aggrandizing outrage.

According to the Washington Post, who broke the non-story, lawmakers were in the Oval office discussing the protection of immigrants from “El Salvador, Haiti, and African countries” when the president evoked Hitler.

Trump was alleged to have asked “why are we having all these people from #hole countries come here?”, and “why do we need more Haitians?”. Afterwords he suggested that the United States should bring more immigrants from Norway. Though other accounts of the meeting contradict this one, these alleged remarks in particular caused a furor among those who have, until now, always sought to constrict our bounds of discourse with their politically correct shaming.

Revelations of his remarks dominated the news (in inverse proportion to any real news, as is the going rate) for over a week, and with it, a saturation of irrationality. As the propagandists would try tell us, because of the trite fact that Haiti and African countries are predominantly black (El Salvador was never mentioned again) cries of racism, white supremacy, and other opprobrium spewed from the mouths of political elites and their Twitter followers. Virtue-signalling broadcasters, commentators and writers saw it as an opportunity to prove their moral virtue by both heaping unnecessary, and often snivelling praise on Haitians, while at the same time denouncing evil Donald Trump to the complicit fawning of their vast audiences.

If we were to accept the media’s premise, and thus the conclusions of their credulous and repetitious consumers, one can not call Haiti a “#-hole” because to do so is racist. According to them, Trump’s words were “hateful”, “disparaging”, and “vulgar”, even though he never mentioned, nor tacitly referenced, race. If he had said “black people” instead of Haiti, and “white people” instead of Norway, there might be a point in there somewhere, but there isn’t. All the connections between race and the problems of Haiti manifested themselves in the heads of the political and media elites after the fact. Besides, what Trump said was true.

According to the UN’s Index of Human Development, Haiti is in fact a #-hole, where it ranks 163rd on that list. Norway, on the other hand, ranks 1st. Haiti is 11th on the fragile states index (FSI), just behind Iraq and Afghanistan. Norway is second to last. The president’s questions, therefore, are quite valid. And when understood in the context of immigration, Trump’s statements are all the more powerful.

The president has been adamant about ending “chain migration” and “the visa lottery system” in favour of a points-based immigration system. The points-based immigration system was invented to give preference to immigrants based on merit, and not their race or nationality, thereby eradicating the pernicious racial and national categories the process once involved. Such a system would put the Haitian and Norwegian on equal grounds for entry.

But this fact was never factored in to any of the countless quote-mined, out of context, pieces of hearsay. The nuance, the context, even the precise quotation meant nothing for these so-called journalists, giving the idiocy that is their readership the ignorance and thus the justification to scream “racist” from their politically correct pedestals.

No, these would-be censors would rather sell us their racist lies. To these ultra-wealthy, celebrity talking-heads and politicians, we are unable to tell the truth about Haiti because most of its inhabitants are darker skinned. One might ask what it is about Haitians that we cannot criticize their country. Are they not worthy enough, perhaps not strong enough, perhaps too inferior for blunt and brutal criticism from an American president? Are we here in the first world too privileged and too politically correct to hold the same standards to Haitians as we would to Norwegians, to ourselves, that we must get angry and even cry when someone tries to do so? Do Haitians need to be handled with our soft gloves, spoken about with our kind words, and kept from the hard, bitter truth of it all?

To all the race baiters, don’t worry, there are still racists and white supremacists about. It’s just that the majority of them hide beneath a veneer of tears, self-aggrandizing outrage, virtue-signalling, and political correctness.

edit on 16-1-2018 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)



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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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Haiti is a sh!thole.

No amount of fake media outrage will ever change that.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope


The media and democrats are just using this contrived racism as a platform to run on in 2018 and 2020.

Why in the name of god would democrats want to hand Trump and republicans a success for hundreds of thousands who might end up voting for Trump and/or republicans???


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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

If the people that feel that Trump saying Haiti was a s-hole was because of race, then when these same people defend the status quo lottery system that demands people from these countries be brought in, are they not in fact saying they just want to bring in brown people?

Isnt that in itself racist?
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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:00 PM
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f people feel that Trump saying Haiti was a s-hole was because of race, then when these same people defend the status quo lottery system that demands people from these countries be brought in, are they not in fact saying they just want to bring in brown people?

Isnt that in itself racist?


Political correctness is racism, sexism, and other isms, under the guise of kindness. It's the same reason why male feminists turn out to be the biggest abusers of women. It's all a self-aggrandizing facade.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:04 PM
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Trump was a piece of # in the 80s, but thanks for sharing how your feels are when people call trump for what he is.




posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!! REALLY! I's DO!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Ten flags and ten stars for you. Oh wait, that is possibly racist so here is one of each.

Well written with clear logic to guide. Impressive OP.

Any ism, taken to extremes, becomes a craphole of stupidity.

I have said before, truth must come before free speech. It is that simple.

So, Truth is followed by freedoms.

If your not sure, then try it in your family setting. If it would not work in the family setting, then it probably would not work in the larger structure of society.

P



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope




But this fact was never factored in to any of the countless quote-mined, out of context, pieces of hearsay. The nuance, the context, even the precise quotation meant nothing for these so-called journalists, giving the idiocy that is their readership the ignorance and thus the justification to scream “racist” from their politically correct pedestals.
Why do you hate Puppies so much is what I want to know
eta . I had posted this in another thread to make a different point but its the same place Trump called the s.hole ...Maybe Hillary could have not scraped off so much of those $$ people sent to them

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Just seen this oh WOW

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Very well thought out and expressed OP.

Something I have been wondering as of late about why would someone want to move to a nation where minorities are treated so badly? I think I have an answer now.

edit on 16-1-2018 by 3daysgone because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope




It's all a self-aggrandizing facade.


Then that would make Trump a what?



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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Look Pocahontas, the media did not put words into his mouth. The Secretary of State should be ashamed of herself.

Her and Jeff Sessions, must have early onset Alzheimer's....That I don't recall BS, is sad, and dishonest! The republicans are the most corrupt bunch I have ever seen...It goes all the way back to Nixon.
Funny thing is, I never realized till the past couple of weeks just how corrupt they are. The amount of republicans jailed over the past 53 years speaks volumes, about just how curropt they are. Dems have far less indictments arrests and jail time! Those are easily verified FACTS!




posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: kurthall
Look Pocahontas, the media did not put words into his mouth. The Secretary of State should be ashamed of herself.

Her and Jeff Sessions, must have early onset Alzheimer's....That I don't recall BS, is sad, and dishonest! The republicans are the most corrupt bunch I have ever seen...It goes all the way back to Nixon.
Funny thing is, I never realized till the past couple of weeks just how corrupt they are. The amount of republicans jailed over the past 53 years speaks volumes, about just how curropt they are. Dems have far less indictments arrests and jail time! Those are easily verified FACTS!



Dems have been tried more for corruption than Republicans.

American politicians convicted of corruption



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

When they do that, it's a tacit admission that Haiti is, in fact, a s-hole.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: kurthall

The media? No. Dick Durbin? Quite possibly.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Oh look! Another thread where a Trumpologist sidesteps the actual issue and attacks the media.

It's not the vulgarity of the term nor is it that he described Haiti, the entire continent of Africa and San Salvador as "#holes countries." It's that he denigrated immigrants from these countries (56 in total) and made a blanket assertion that simply by being from Norway, a potential immigrant is inherently more desirable.

What's behind his valuations of these people?

I've already posted some stats on the educational and economic attainments of immigrants from a number of countries that fit his criteria for undesirables. If it was supposed to a statement about merit-based immigration policy, Trump is too ignorant to be trying to lead the conversation.

If not relevant data, what exactly is it that informs Trump's opinions?

It couldn't be the same wingnut nativist ignorance and prejudice plainly evident in his nativist demagoguery could it? It's completely unreasonable to believe that maybe Trump is just an old douche bag who bases decisions on racial/ethnic/other similar prejudices.


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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:39 PM
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Oh look! Another thread where a Trumpologist sidesteps the actual issue and attacks the media.


And you are an anti-Trumpologist using your hate to sidestep the actual issue.

The actual issue is should immigration be a merit based system. That is what your President is asking.

Pot, meet the bloody fire!

P

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

If the people that feel that Trump saying Haiti was a s-hole was because of race, then when these same people defend the status quo lottery system that demands people from these countries be brought in, are they not in fact saying they just want to bring in brown people?

Isnt that in itself racist?


You're missing the part where Trump didn't say he wanted to do away with the lottery system and move to a merit-based system. In fact, what he said was that we should give preference to people from one country (Norway) over 56 other countries.

The deal he was being presented with was to dissolve the current lottery system and to take those visas and allocate half to merit-based immigration and another half for people currently under Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

So make sure that you're including Trump among those who want to show a preference based on country of origin. And if you believe those people have got racist opinions, then you must also conclude that Trump's opinions on immigration are racist.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:45 PM
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I dont feel you proved anything with your stats.

At best you showed immigrants from one country in Africa, Nigeria, have done very well.

So i guess your criticism is that Trump should have said except Nigeria?

The other evidence your presented was the immigration from India is successful.

Ok how is that relevant? Had trump spoken of india as a bad country, perhaps you would have a point, he did not.

Again, you ignored the study I provided that showed that immigrants from areas that are crappy countries tend to be more likely to need government welfare when they come in.


lthough immigrants from South America, Canada (other North
America), Oceania and Europe use any form of welfare at the same rate as U.S. born, immigrants from Asia, Africa, Central American and U.S. protectorates use welfare more1 The result in columns
(2) and (4) confirm this finding of differential welfare usage among birthplace continent using the
data restricted to solely immigrants. It also highlights the importance of including a control for
length of stay. Notice that the result using the unrestricted welfare measure suggests that among
immigrant groups, only immigrants from Europe and South America share identical probability of
welfare usage. Other immigrant groups have higher probability of welfare than Europeans apart
from immigrants from Canada who have the lowest probability of welfare usage among immigrant
groups.


www.researchgate.net...

Again, if this is all about race, how isnt the fact that our immigration system overwhelmingly accepts people of countries that happen to not have a majority white population, despite the fact immigrants from European countries and Canada seem to require less government assistance to be successful on average?

Questioning the current lottery based system that requires people be accepted based on country and not merit does not seem racist.

However, if thats the claim, then how is demanding that immigrants be overwhelmingly from non white countries regardless of merit also not racist?

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Oh look! Another thread where a Trumpologist sidesteps the actual issue and attacks the media.

It's not the vulgarity of the term nor is it that he described Haiti, the entire continent of Africa and San Salvador as "#holes countries." It's that he denigrated immigrants from these countries (56 in total) and made a blanket assertion that simply by being from Norway, a potential immigrant is inherently more desirable.

What's behind his valuations of these people?

I've already posted some stats on the educational and economic attainments of immigrants from a number of countries that fit his criteria for undesirables. If it was supposed to a statement about merit-based immigration policy, Trump is too ignorant to be trying to lead the conversation.

If not relevant data, what exactly is it that informs Trump's opinions?

It couldn't be the same wingnut nativist ignorance and prejudice plainly evident in his nativist demagoguery could it? It's completely unreasonable to believe that maybe Trump is just an old douche bag who bases decisions on racial/ethnic/other similar prejudices.


Is that what he did? I think these connections are entirely derived from your own prevelance for connecting words that denote nationality to some perverted idea of race heaven in the depths of your own head. Fact is, Donald Trump has delt with people of different ethnicities, nationalities, races, in various settings and geographies for decades.

You just sit on your computer.

No I do not trust you have the ability to look into someone’s heart and know their motivations. In the absence of objective remarks that prove racism, all you have is your own projections.



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