Read the Letter Trump's Immigrant Grandpa Wrote Begging Not to Be Deported

a reply to: MOMof3

Have you been to Saudi Arabia lately?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Did he break the law?

a reply to: BotheLumberJack

Do the Saudi’s make laws governed by our constitution in Saudi Arabia?

You should watch The Gangs of New York.

a reply to: MOMof3

Contrary to belief of some, there are Countries that don't respect half of the population of people who actually come to America to live and still don't respect their Host Country by trying to fit in, those are the individuals i'm talking about. A lot of these billionaires kids come for education like um what's that jihads name again, oh yeah, BinLaden and his 12 brothers and sisters.

btw Gangs of New York have nothing on what some Countries consider 'normal' everyday behavior.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

A part of my family came to these shores long before the United States was established. Another part was dumb enough to let them get off the boat.

I have never thought of us being immigrants to this country so I am not sure I have a "dog in this fight".

I do, however, like to think there is a big difference in now and the past; as well as in legal and illegal. One thing which none of us can do is change the past, so we should do as best we can to work toward a better future.
If a person is here illegally, they should respect the rule of law enough to make efforts to get legal. If not, they are essentially here to "ride" the system and should be dealt with accordingly. NO ONE should get a free pass. There should be no rewards for one group at the expense of another and we should ALL be held accountable for our misdeeds. This is, after all, the basis for a country founded on the rule of law and not the rule of man.

a reply to: tinymind

Oops. Ignore.

originally posted by: tinymind
a reply to: Southern Guardian

A part of my family came to these shores long before the United States was established. Another part was dumb enough to let them get off the boat.

I have never thought of us being immigrants to this country so I am not sure I have a "dog in this fight".

I do, however, like to think there is a big difference in now and the past; as well as in legal and illegal. One thing which none of us can do is change the past, so we should do as best we can to work toward a better future.
If a person is here illegally, they should respect the rule of law enough to make efforts to get legal. If not, they are essentially here to "ride" the system and should be dealt with accordingly. NO ONE should get a free pass. There should be no rewards for one group at the expense of another and we should ALL be held accountable for our misdeeds. This is, after all, the basis for a country founded on the rule of law and not the rule of man.

That's interesting. Do you mind if I ask why you don't think of your family as immigrants when some of them arrived on a boat?


I think part of the issue is the extent to which people believe illegal immigrants get a 'free ride'. I'm fairly certain if you don't have documentation, you don't qualify for any government welfare systems. So illegals don't really take anything out of the system, but they do pay in when they pay sales taxes on things they purchase.

So yes, I agree, nobody should get a free pass. I just don't think there are all that many people getting free passes. At least, not as many as the media (owned by billionaires) likes to make out sometimes.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Interesting source material, a German tabloid published and then Harper’s Magazine picked it up and then Vice noted as much mixed with other articles such as TV lesbians are overwhelmingly white and Jim Baker is running a Christian food preppers show with poor production values.

Could be real or could be similar to the source material that Orly Taitz used in her Birth Certificate cases. Makes for a subject for debate amongst the members.

it's Illegals coming in by the droves, and many who come from a different way of life, one that demeans women and disregarding the laws of the land

a reply to: BotheLumberJack

seems like you are talking about the arab countries??? you can check the stats on this, but I do believe that the biggest recent influx of immigrants from muslim/arab countries was during the bush 2 years and the great war on terror. wonder why that is?? could it be that entry into the US is such a great bribe for our intelligence officers to convince the locals to help them and provide them with the information they need??

a reply to: dawnstar

Not just those Countries, Pakistan for instance isn't an arab country but it's as ass backwards on issues regarding Human Rights.

a reply to: Painterz

If you will notice I did say we came over on a boat. I also said we were here before the land to which we came became this country. Many people speak of those who came "after" the U S was established as immigrants. If you include ALL the people who came from the beginning of time, then every country is a land of immigrants and the U S is no different from any other place on earth. There is a difference in an established country and the land upon which it resides. This is the distinction which I am making.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
man who spent 30 years of his life in U.S. is deported

On Martin Luther King Jnr Day. Wife, kids, sobbing. A nation of s***holers we are.

Get a free plane ride to Mexico and still people complain.
But he got away with it for 30 years, it isn't fair!
You're right, make him pay for his own plane ticket.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

He was brought here during Reagan’s presidency as a kid. I thought they were granted amnesy since then.

Being a part of a family whom recently immigrated here I take offense to the notion that illegals should not have to abide by the law because it's not "fair". The system is simplistic in applying all there in black in white. Anyone who comes to the US illegally is putting an effort toward not doing it legally. Applying for welfare, food stamps, and health care does not require evidence of citizenship. Just a social security number (anyone will do) and a proof of residence (utility bill) and if both of these are not available one can just sign a waiver saying it's not available.

You people who defend people who do this should have to pay extra taxes to take care of them. I for one think America does not not equal a free ride but equals a land of opportunity to excel. Anyone whom chooses to remain in the shadows and game he system has no real intentions to be a true American that excels.

a reply to: Painterz

Immagrants children are always eligible for public assistance. To include healthcare and food stamps. immigrant-headed households (legal and illegal) with a child (under age 18) using at least one welfare program continues to be very high. This is partly due to the large share of immigrants with low levels of education and their resulting low incomes — not their legal status or an unwillingness to work. In immagrant households 56 percent use some form of financial aid. Native households run 39 percent so it is higher.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

In November, a German tabloid unearthed a 1905 letter from Donald Trump's grandfather, Friedrich Trump, in which he begged German authorities not to deport him. The handwritten letter—originally in German—has now been translated and published in the latest issue of Harper's.

That is one hell of a false equivalence trying to compare what went on during that era to whats been going on in this country for DECADES.

a reply to: Painterz

America was built from immigrants, the vast majority of those immigrants were economic immigrants. The poor and the desperate seeking a better life.

Everything is a lie.

America has never welcomed ANYONE with open arms

Many of the people immigrating to America hailed from Europe, with Eastern Europe and Southern European immigrants being the primary groups. During this time period, eugenic ideals gained broad popularity and made heavy impact on immigration to the United States by way of exclusion of disabled and "morally defective" people.[citation

With the passing of the Immigrant Quota Act of 1921, the number of immigrants being allowed into the United States declined greatly. The passing of the bill ended the era of mass immigration.[8] After 1924, Ellis Island became primarily a detention and deportation processing station.[24][5

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
A nation of s***holers we are.

Racist.

a reply to: Saiker
but the fact is that the people did come, and the government (both parties) did very little for far too long to address the issue, and many businesses were more than happy to hire them under the table for lower wages...
they seem to have kind of turned the immigration policy into something that worked against the american workers.
so just who should I blame more about this situation? desparate people that are willing to travel from central american and south america to our border hoping for a better live, who are then welcomed with open arms by employers ready and willing to take advatage of their low cost labor? or, the gov't who had for a long time just let it happen, not wanting to take the cheap labor from the business sector... and only acted when it became clear that hey, now things are really screwed up, we've driven down the wages of far too many while we let the cost of living raise far too much, our people can't afford the decent healthcare that costs way too much nor can they afford the insane price of college and training and they are the new desparate low skilled people of the world and we don't need more... oh, no, we need more from those socialist european countries, ya know the ones who've had easy access to healthcare and low cost to free education... even though in public, we will knock those countries because of their socialist policies!!! send us some Norwegians, please!!!

Yeah, grandpa Trump begged not to be deported out of the country he was born in, which I'd say is different from being deported out of a country you immigrated to, whether legally or illegally, but especially if you did it illegally. And it looks like "young" Trump wants to let the Dreamers stay, the ones who have lived in the US almost as long as the elder Trump lived in the German Empire. Maybe not from birth but at least long enough to be natives for all intents and purposes. So, I don't think Trump is hypocritical in this case.

The old Trump did dodge draft of course, so he had it coming. Maybe? But I just can't find it in my heart to judge him for that; it's not super fair to get drafted when you're being ruled by Prince Luitpold of Bavaria and his buddies. I think the nobility would definitely have served too--which is more than you can say for DJT and most other modern day politicians--but they probably got put straight into military academy and where given preferential treatment. Not fair.

I mean, on Wikipedia it says the German Empire was a semi-constitutional monarchy, they had some sort of parliament, but still not super democratic I bet. I say he was more justified in his draft-dodging than conscientious objectors during Vietnam.