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originally posted by: GiulXainx
I have been talking with my co-workers about this concept for well over a year now. Which is to take the human conciousness and put it into a machine.
The discussions I have had with my co-workers has lead me to a new perspective on it.
I know this is crazy talk and it will probably never happen but. SAVING ASIDE the fact that we can not measure conciousness, or even pinpoint where our conciousness exists inside of our bodies (Which some say it belongs inside of a dimension we can not comprehend.) Let us say that the transfering of a concious can happen. I am not saying we already have this technology, I am saying what if we already can? Put the entirety of our human conciousness into a machine and still be able to take our memories with it.
The questions that have come up recently are: What would we need? Hard drive? Cameras? Microphones? Speakers? Chipsets? Sixaxis motion detection? Gieger counters in case we come across radiation? Dictionaries? A WiFi chip? Motors, gears, wheels, cogs, pivotal joints? metal encasements? What would we need in order to be a machine? What could we build so that we can just continue to move foarward ever wandering the earth for ever?
Again I know this is crazy talk but just save your "You are absurd!" comments and critically think for a change.
What would conciousness really need in order to manuever a machine?
I know this question stems from the fact that our brains essentially maintains function of all the muscles found in our body, as well as react to anything we come into contact with physically as well as mentally. Everything in our bodies serves a function. And our brains operate them accordingly. So... If we no longer have a need for food/exercise/hygiene/clothes/cars/ etc.... What would we need to build in order to just keep functioning? And keep moving forward?
The other part of the argument came up about war. Would people revolt against the idea of for ever being a machine? Would we be able to exist side by side with humans after becoming a machine.
Another question arose which is, what if we are only creating a copy of ourselves and not transfering at all? Would a company kill off each and every one of us to leave it up to ambiguity when you 'come out' the other side? What if you were attempting to transfer your conciousness and suddenly died right after the machine woke up? Did it actually work? Or did you effectively kill yourself, but made a copy? How would you kow you are you inside of a machine? Would you cry because you only made a copy if you lived through the transfer forever trapped inside of flesh and bone? Take for example the episode "White Christmas" from the Netflix series: Black Mirror. Of which the transfer of your entire soul is put into a "cookie" and placed into a machine to do remedial tasks, yet you are who you are.
I mean machines can only do what we tell them to do, but if you look at your own body can you tell your liver to just stop working? Can you tell your heart to stop pumping? Can you tell your ears to mute themselves so you can sleep? No... So if machines require code to be inputted, then why can't a human concious be placed inside of a machine.
I mean if life is nothing more than a series of choices... then talking and telling a machine to do something should be easy right? Or would it be difficult?
On the other side we talked about the benefits of becoming a machine, or finally transferring our conciousness to a machine. And that would mean teleportation would become somewhat achievable. We would just have to be downloaded into a new machine across the planet, or essentially the galaxy. Would we be able to create a copy of ourselves in case we were to meet an end?
And for some of the harder thinkers out there, how much memory would we need to have capacity wise to keep everything in check. How would we compute everything? How fast would we be able to think?
Or the really out there question: What would it feel like to finally become a machine? Would we even feel at all? Or would it be constant pain?
All of these questions are out there. But you can ask yourself the same type of question about your flesh and bones right now. We feel pain, yet we can not feel our own pulses unless we sit still. We really can not feel our muscles move. We do not feel anything in our bodies when something is going wron until we pass the incubation period of a virus. So.... when we feel fine, why is it that our muscles, organs, brains.... even our bones. do they feel?
This is a really out there thread, and I might not be the only person to bring this up, but I did not see anyone talking about it here on ATS so.... Anyone want to talk about this in further detail?
What I think we would need to move around is actually quite small. Sort of like a series of metal poles with motors to control the functions of elbows, knees, hips, shoulders and such... Sort of creating a pivotal joint so I can walk like a human being, but being significantly smaller than a human. I would not try to make myself look human at all as instead I would try to make myself stand out saying "I am a machine dammit. accept me." instead of trying to create a fake human face and what not. I'd rather just have people see that I am a machine instead of pretending to be human at that point.