The Betrayal: The Cult of Trump turns on Chelsea Manning

a reply to: thepixelpusher

I read your post and it seemed to me you were suggesting Trump was not a globalist and was against big money interests, unlike Hillary and Co.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Wardaddy454

He has very little choice as to where to live at the moment, as you are no doubt aware.

Russia is the only place he is unlikely to be harried by the government of the United States, as a result of his doing the right thing.

Assange has been doing fine. Snowden is adamant about government spying, so he runs to one of the worst offenders. I guess being confined to an embassy is a deal breaker for some.

And, the right thing?

"Hey, your governemnt is doing this bad thing".

*A few years later*

"You need to fight the government to keep the power of the internet in governments hands".

For all we know, if the Russians had a role in 2016, who can say he didn't help them.

Linda Sarsour has endorsed Manning. This should get interesting.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I will judge Trump over time by his actions. Much too early to make a conclusion yet. Keep in mind the system in our govt. corrals even good people to serve larger influences. I am realistic in my expectations, no matter who gets in office.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Let's first cover one thing off here. It's well documented that Trump has never been a fan of Chelsea Manning and this extends all the way back to 2010. He's never been secretative about his dislike of her

You mean him, right?

originally posted by: continuousThunder
really loving how the lovable rascals of ats are literally leaping over each other to prove the OP right by deliberately and continuously misgendering and deadnaming her after it was pointed out right there in the OP that her transition is a sore point to many, don't ever change your predicatable scummy ways, ats

Hey, sorry to bother you, I was just wondering if you could tell me what those are: misgendering, and deadnaming? Thank you in advance very much.

a reply to: 3n19m470

sure, no problem, thanks for being polite about it.

misgendering is when, despite everyone in this thread knowing damn well that she has transitioned, people very deliberately insist on calling her "he" like they're proving some sort of point. which of course they are, they're proving how rude they are.

deadnaming is using a trans person's previous name despite full well knowing that they go by a different name now and are very likely extremely uncomfortable with the old one. We all know her new name, there is no excuse for not using it. It's a way of exercising a certain sort of power that cis people have over trans people - that you can essentially decide whether or not our identity is socially valid or not. Nobody gets to tell you whether you're a man or a woman but here, people who have never and never will meet her or have anything to do with her are making just that decision to her.
It doesn't change whether she IS a woman - of course she is! But it can be very disheartening to deal with thousands of people who'll never know you fighting black and blue to dictate your life.

the real super ironic thing about these are that for a very large number of us, this is an internet-only phenomenon. i'm told constantly on ats that people will never recognise my gender, that i'll always be a man, that people ****just KNOW**** yada yada, but when i log off and go outside it's very very rare for anyone to act like i'm anything other than a normal young woman. Which should tell you something about this whole carry on.

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: Hazardous1408

yes by all means report war crimes but there are right ways and wrong ways to expose them.

HE CHOSE THE WRONG WAY, THEN TO ESCAPE PUNISHMENT DECIDED TO DO A MAX KLINGER TO GET OUT OF HIS PUNISHMENT.
ITS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL THE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE IN PRISON WHO ARE DOING THEIR TIME.

Are you familiar with the story of Thomas Drake, formerly of NSA?

He followed procedures, stayed in the chain of command and blew the whistle.

Guess what? They prosecuted him for doing that.

Snowden knew that, and acted accordingly. There are a few others like Kiriakou and Sterling who followed procedures and ended up in federal prison.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: 3n19m470
the real super ironic thing about these are that for a very large number of us, this is an internet-only phenomenon. i'm told constantly on ats that people will never recognise my gender, that i'll always be a man, that people ****just KNOW**** yada yada, but when i log off and go outside it's very very rare for anyone to act like i'm anything other than a normal young woman. Which should tell you something about this whole carry on.

This part right here really stuck out for me. It's something that has baffled me lately. I don't get any transphobia thrown in my face in my personal life; just on ATS (and terf sites when I'm feeling masochistic). In fact, living day-to-day is a super affirming thing for me. I live a super normal life, all things considered.

Does it sometimes feel like you are only a transsexual online, lol?

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: 3n19m470


the real super ironic thing about these are that for a very large number of us, this is an internet-only phenomenon. i'm told constantly on ats that people will never recognise my gender, that i'll always be a man, that people ****just KNOW**** yada yada, but when i log off and go outside it's very very rare for anyone to act like i'm anything other than a normal young woman. Which should tell you something about this whole carry on.

Not really.

I will view you as a man.

But if i met you i would not make a fuss, or be nasty anymore than i would with someone with any other mental health problems.

I dont hate you.

To the majority of people it will be the same. Most people wont be mean or make a fuss. Plus why bother because:

1) your not hurting anyone.

2) A bunch of hate filled rapid Antifa lefties will likely pounce on you.

Deep down though I bet a good portion of society will never view you as a "real" women.
Most heterosexual men wont date a trans women, which says something.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: 3n19m470
the real super ironic thing about these are that for a very large number of us, this is an internet-only phenomenon. i'm told constantly on ats that people will never recognise my gender, that i'll always be a man, that people ****just KNOW**** yada yada, but when i log off and go outside it's very very rare for anyone to act like i'm anything other than a normal young woman. Which should tell you something about this whole carry on.

This part right here really stuck out for me. It's something that has baffled me lately. I don't get any transphobia thrown in my face in my personal life; just on ATS (and terf sites when I'm feeling masochistic). In fact, living day-to-day is a super affirming thing for me. I live a super normal life, all things considered.

Does it sometimes feel like you are only a transsexual online, lol?

Again, read above.

I dont hate you.

If i met you in the street I would not be mean or even mention you being a transsexual anymore than i would point out a mental health issue on someone else.

Plus fact is it doesnt hurt or affect me. I might not accept you as a woman, but you playing dress up doesnt affect me.

originally posted by: Theprodicalson
Deep down though I bet a good portion of society will never view you as a "real" women.
Most heterosexual men wont date a trans women, which says something.

But a whole lot of hetero men do date trans women. And there's not a whole lot of women like us so demand is a bit overwhelming. Just look at the average American man's porn search history, lol.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Theprodicalson

Proved my point.

Aside from your personal, myopic opinion, you've been wrong about everything.

What point?

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Let's first cover one thing off here. It's well documented that Trump has never been a fan of Chelsea Manning and this extends all the way back to 2010. He's never been secretative about his dislike of her and has even called for Manning to face the death penalty in 2010.. Trump can, rightfully, claim consistency on his stance on Manning (whether we agree with him or not). The issue at hand here isn't with Trump himself but most of his supporters and this is what this thread is about.

Let me just remind you all that Julian Assange and Wikileaks owe a great deal to Chelsea Manning. After all, she was the source for 750,000 classified material that jump started their global fame in 2010. Without Chelsea Manning, Wikileaks would not have gotten the boost and exposure it received back then. This is a fact. She put herself on the line for Wikileaks. During that time those of us on ATS who praised Wikileaks and Assange never questioned their releases. We praised them and we've continued to praise Assange for his efforts to this day. Didn't matter where the sources came from, we were giving the administration the middle finger and exposing corruption. That is, we were giving the Obama administration the middle finger. That all changed rather quickly.

Queue in Trump and his entry to the presidency and we get this:

Complete 360 I tell ya.

She's a traitor now right?! Chelsea Manning? Yet Assange and Wikileaks used those exact classified materials to their advantage and we continue to praise them. But now Manning is scum because well she's American and a soldier? But praise Assange for releasing this information and exposing? Makes now sense? What the hell?!

Let's not forget Chelsea's inconvenient gender transition. We'll go there. That didn't align with Trumps views especially when it comes to them serving on the armed forces. It's also majorly inconvenient that Chelsea is running as a Democrat. Totally irrelevant that she intends to unseat a total establishment dinosaur Ben Cardin (D). And just like clockwork. Just like clockwork, Trump's supporters flock to mock '.and attack her, as if the sacrifices she made for Wikileaks are totally irrelevant now. All 'cause Trump nuh' and that's really it.

Chelsea Manning hasn't changed her intentions or her positions. It's many of her supposed supporters who have and this is all because of this new administration they support now. It's astounding - rights and the truth be damned. So protective of Trump that you'll betray and throw anybody else off the bus. Same with Bannon. All because Trump?

Seriously.

There is no Cult of Trump. That's a myth we don't worship Government we worship God. It's the Left who worshipps Government. After all Obama had a way bigger Cult following than Trump ever had. All because he was Black.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: 3n19m470
the real super ironic thing about these are that for a very large number of us, this is an internet-only phenomenon. i'm told constantly on ats that people will never recognise my gender, that i'll always be a man, that people ****just KNOW**** yada yada, but when i log off and go outside it's very very rare for anyone to act like i'm anything other than a normal young woman. Which should tell you something about this whole carry on.

This part right here really stuck out for me. It's something that has baffled me lately. I don't get any transphobia thrown in my face in my personal life; just on ATS (and terf sites when I'm feeling masochistic). In fact, living day-to-day is a super affirming thing for me. I live a super normal life, all things considered.

Does it sometimes feel like you are only a transsexual online, lol?

it's so real!
my favourite bit is that we've got a guy here taking NOTHING that we've said onboard, and instead trying to tell us what it's like to live our lives.
He may not think we're women but damn somehow he still treats us like we are!

a reply to: Abysha

I am deeply sorry if you are suffering from this Disorder. However, God never gave anyone the "wrong body". No person was ever born with the wrong sex, anymore that the person born with Down's syndrome, was given the wrong body either.Sadly, there have always been people who suffer from strong beliefs or feelings that they are someone or something else than what they physically are. You seem hurt from being rejected but that's the dark side of romance, unfortunately! We either fancy someone or we don't,it's not voluntary and we have no control over it. If a straight male doesn't want to date you because he sees you as a man so be it.How did heterosexual become a bad thing? If you express and word a heterosexual thought to a friend near a gay person... you're being discriminatory. Don't heterosexual have rights too? I appauld a person changing to make themselves happy. But you need help if you're trying to force a person's preference. You can't make another person desire you or want you.

a reply to: dragonridr

dude what the HELL?
she said that heterosexual dudes date trans women - because it's true????
she didn't say or imply anything negative about heterosexual people whatsoever, just that hetero dudes date women?
she also said that as far as anyone she meets offline is concerned, she's just a woman - hell, in the post you're replying to she says her life is "super normal".

i have literally no idea where you got anything about rejection
or trying to force anyone to do anything
or anything remotely negative about heterosexuals

get some dang reading comprehension already!

also fwiw, that "born in the wrong body" claptrap is antiquated and fallacious and mostly only used as a talking point by cis people. Trans people are not born in the wrong body - we own our bodies as surely as you own your own. We just have hormonal imbalance issues that need to be solved with medicine. You may as well rail against people with poor eyesight.
GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES PUT DOWN THOSE SPECTACLES AND DIE SQUINTING LIKE A MAN

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Abysha

I am deeply sorry if you are suffering from this Disorder. However, God never gave anyone the "wrong body". No person was ever born with the wrong sex, anymore that the person born with Down's syndrome, was given the wrong body either.Sadly, there have always been people who suffer from strong beliefs or feelings that they are someone or something else than what they physically are. You seem hurt from being rejected but that's the dark side of romance, unfortunately! We either fancy someone or we don't,it's not voluntary and we have no control over it. If a straight male doesn't want to date you because he sees you as a man so be it.How did heterosexual become a bad thing? If you express and word a heterosexual thought to a friend near a gay person... you're being discriminatory. Don't heterosexual have rights too? I appauld a person changing to make themselves happy. But you need help if you're trying to force a person's preference. You can't make another person desire you or want you.

ContinuousThunder pretty much nailed it with her response but I just wanted to correlate with her post that I said nothing remotely close to what you apparently think I said.

It would do no good to present you with copious data refuting your claims since your blood cult won't allow you to read them with an open heart. Your god has made it hard, like Pharaoh's.

But I can at least point out again that you did not comprehend my posts accurately. Like, at all.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: dragonridr

dude what the HELL?
she said that heterosexual dudes date trans women - because it's true????
she didn't say or imply anything negative about heterosexual people whatsoever, just that hetero dudes date women?
she also said that as far as anyone she meets offline is concerned, she's just a woman - hell, in the post you're replying to she says her life is "super normal".

i have literally no idea where you got anything about rejection
or trying to force anyone to do anything
or anything remotely negative about heterosexuals

get some dang reading comprehension already!

also fwiw, that "born in the wrong body" claptrap is antiquated and fallacious and mostly only used as a talking point by cis people. Trans people are not born in the wrong body - we own our bodies as surely as you own your own. We just have hormonal imbalance issues that need to be solved with medicine. You may as well rail against people with poor eyesight.
GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES PUT DOWN THOSE SPECTACLES AND DIE SQUINTING LIKE A MAN

POOR EYESIGHT IS A MENTAL ILLNESS!