APA Calls for End to 'Armchair' Psychiatry

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Uh, I don't really need a DR, to tell me what is right there for the world to see.

[Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, Waters, Roberts, et. al.], ... are all bat #### CRAZY. I could give you examples, but what is the point.

Fixed that for you...

originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: intrptr

Ha! Professionals. Bah! Those organizations don't self-police; they self-protect. Goes for any other organizations.

I predict that in the future psychiatrists/psychologists will be a real joke of this society.

They are already a joke. Prescribed Psychotropic substances have replaced any vestige of 'treatment'. Jail cells have supplanted treatment centers.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
They must really hate freedom of speech.

Hippocratic oath mean anything here with you lefist?

www.medicinenet.com...

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Zo, zit down on ze armchair couch und tell me all your prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroblemz....

ha ha.. ROFLMAO

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: DBCowboy

Speculating on someone’s mental/physical health is not a diagnosis though, is it?
That can only be done by a person’s actual doctor.

Actually speculation can be done by anyone.

And because a diagnosis is a confirmation of an illness/condition.

Not necessarily.

Any speculation is by definition unconfirmed.

We can talk about the ethics of professionals doing such speculating, and I personally find it out of order when they do.

Unethical, agreed.

Silencing them for it is just way too despotic for my liking.

Doctors have rules, it's actually in their code of ethics.

But good for you for wanting free speech!


This is different for you!

Yep, spot on. IMO that unit is only for free speech that is good for the D's.

I'm not a Scientologist, but I very often feel that the whole psychiatric treatment industry is borderline useless. Their diagnoses are hopelessly generalized and vague, and the tests they use to reach their diagnoses only capture a snapshot of the mental state of a person. Their treatments are either "talking it out" (which is never meant to actually cure anybody), to medicines like SSRIs that are essentially a trial-and-error crapshoot to see if something works.

If you review the literature, it's a little shocking to see just how little we understand why and how people think the way they do.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

But but but, thats the most fun.

Armchair everything

General/Psychologist/Tactical

originally posted by: Blue Shift
I'm not a Scientologist, but I very often feel that the whole psychiatric treatment industry is borderline useless. Their diagnoses are hopelessly generalized and vague, and the tests they use to reach their diagnoses only capture a snapshot of the mental state of a person. Their treatments are either "talking it out" (which is never meant to actually cure anybody), to medicines like SSRIs that are essentially a trial-and-error crapshoot to see if something works.

If you review the literature, it's a little shocking to see just how little we understand why and how people think the way they do.

Honestly, I feel the same way. In my experience, you can diagnose almost anyone on Earth as mentally ill if you really want to. I don't want to go into detail, but for a time, I was seeing psychiatrists/counselors for some problems I was having. Three different people gave me three totally different diagnoses.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

APA-calling the kettle black, if you swing left or right that doesn't make you cuckoo.

'Paging Dr. Phil-are you listening?'

'I'm listening Oprah-when is my next paycheck due?'

Sigmund Frauds should be stripped of their titles TBH-the role of the psychiatrist is to provide help, not to misidentify mental illness to benefit drug companies and give their patients medication for false efficacy.

I've had pills thrown at me since I was twelve and after giving them up, i'm not better but more stable. All Psychiatrists are armchair psychiatrists from personal experience, what people need is a psychologist.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Good thread. Glad you posted it. You know, the political left Elites contain the dregs of those who always wanted communism or some type of socialism, and they are trying to get it any which way they can.... because ya know its not really the fault of communism that the Soviet Union failed to produce a successful centrally controlled economy...if only we could just have another crack at it this time it would work(end sarcasm)

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

APA-calling the kettle black, if you swing left or right that doesn't make you cuckoo.

'Paging Dr. Phil-are you listening?'

'I'm listening Oprah-when is my next paycheck due?'

Sigmund Frauds should be stripped of their titles TBH-the role of the psychiatrist is to provide help, not to misidentify mental illness to benefit drug companies and give their patients medication for false efficacy.

I've had pills thrown at me since I was twelve and after giving them up, i'm not better but more stable. All Psychiatrists are armchair psychiatrists from personal experience, what people need is a psychologist.

And its definitely not their job to make crackpot diagnoses of a political character much less our POTUS without a genuine one on one session, and its definitely not their place to make such diagnoses in public. Its against HIPAA law. Its also a point of ethical practice.
These people are like the mad scientists of a previous era, using it as a political tool for control.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: DBCowboy

Actually speculation can be done by anyone.

Yeah, exactly.

Not necessarily.

In terms of this discussion it absolutely is.

The only time a diagnosis could be considered unconfirmed is with a misdiagnosis.
Even then, mistaken is a better description than unconfirmed.

Even something that is found to be a misdiagnosed was still initially “confirmed” the right conclusion by a patient’s doctor.

A diagnosis however, is not speculation.
It is an official decision followed by a course of action.

Long story short, these people have not been diagnosing Trump.

Unethical, agreed.

Absolutely.

Doctors have rules, it's actually in their code of ethics.

Yeah.
In terms of mental health...
en.m.wikipedia.org...

This is their rule. It is a strongly requested approach.
I do not believe it is forced, but I am sure there are probably some kind of consequences for a disregarding the Rule.

But good for you for wanting free speech!


This is different for you!

Dunno really, only thing I don’t believe is free speech is incitement.
Anything beyond that it’s just censorship.

Oh of course that's why the APA went out of their way to make a statement.... geez... did you really just ignore their statement and go with the leftist agenda?

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
They must really hate freedom of speech.

Do you consider a medical diagnosis, "freedom of speech"?

Just curious.


As a big proponent of freedom of speech I would have never considered a diagnosis to be that.

Actually, a medical diagnosis is protected by HIPPA. So it is kind of the opposite of free speech.

HIPAA is designed to protect patient privacy. Also the government now has the HITECH Act in place to enforce HIPAA privacy laws. That is, they can fine a company up to 1,000,000 $$ for breach of medical records....

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Speculating on someone’s mental/physical health is not a diagnosis though, is it? That can only be done by a person’s actual doctor. And because a diagnosis is a confirmation of an illness/condition.

You're smarter than that. Talking points especially when flogged by "experts" carry weight otherwise why do they seek out experts comments to begin with?


All they would have to do is begin this disclaimer: "I am a psychiatrist but I am not making a diagnosis just an opinion as a voter' Problem solved

a reply to: Blue Shift

Hint: its nowhere near a empirical science - "its" still looking for that magical chemical imbalance.
The scientologists showed some very good studies, unfortunately they use reverse tactics to ensnare.

They go so far as buying out "cult awareness network" to control information. LOL

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Good thread. Glad you posted it. You know, the political left Elites contain the dregs of those who always wanted communism or some type of socialism, and they are trying to get it any which way they can.... because ya know its not really the fault of communism that the Soviet Union failed to produce a successful centrally controlled economy...if only we could just have another crack at it this time it would work(end sarcasm)

As the Chinese citizens continue to disappear after their gov visited them.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Blue Shift

Hint: its nowhere near a empirical science - "its" still looking for that magical chemical imbalance.
The scientologists showed some very good studies, unfortunately they use reverse tactics to ensnare.

They go so far as buying out "cult awareness network" to control information. LOL

wow is that right? Wow if so..

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So it only matters when its the POTUS being arm chaired, never mind any normal person , it couldnt possibly damage them !

When will we ditch this celeb , style , we give a # what rich people , or popular people think
honestly take them all down off their pedestal we put them on!

either they can step down when asked nicely or they can queue for the guillotine

That's sort of insane.

The APA - a mostly atheistic, materialistic, pharmacotropic PROPAGANDA ARM of the pagan elite - think they can simply delegate to other reasoning humans what constitutes a reasonable or unreasonable form of human relating?

I really do Hope - golly I do - that the APA's arrogance in making this claim will result in a mass exodus of psychiatrists from its body.

It is a corrupt organization that has sought to help and abet potential fascists as if fascism didn't exist, didn't have a history, and didn't always indicate the presence of a severerly dysregulated human personality.

Can't #ing stand this organization.