Why the Western Male is Being Dumped and collectively character assassinated.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: YungMahn

No it is a statistical reality. Most Western societies are below replacement point. Why else do you think Europe opened its doors to a flood of refugees?

I don't see why European nations didn't just pass a law requiring citizens to have more sex and use less birth control.

The Gov't could pay people $100 for each verified sexual encounter, plus $10,000 for each birth that follows, people would then jump at the challenge, and it would end up costing less than all the monies required to support the refugee program.

a reply to: Abysha

So what are you implying? the tired old argument that white people are all racist and thats why the west is resistant to multiculturalism. Where else on the planet can mass immigration and multiculturalism flourish without war or genocide? China? India? Africa? Middle East?

a reply to: AMPTAH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

We have that subsidy. It's called welfare where you get an increase in your benefits for the new person in your family.

a reply to: ketsuko

Sounds like excuses to me. If people are really scared that "white" people will disappear, then the obvious solution would be to have more kids.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You literally said "the western man is on the road to extinction". If you really believe that and are against it hypothetically happening, then you'd advocate that more "western" people mshould have children. Decreasing the amount of kids in other cultures wouldn't stop people in the West from hypothetically going "extinct", as you put it. Only increasing the birthrate in the West would work.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Is it about white people or Western Culture? Western culture can or could survive without white men; however, that happening would depend on stopping the demonization of white men because white men have been pivotal to the history of Western Culture.

If you are going to preserve Western culture, then you must study "old, dead white men" without being triggered by it and thinking that everything they did was beyond redemption because this or that aspect of the world they lived in at the time did not measure up the ideological purity standards of your modern ethic.

a reply to: ketsuko

LOL What's that have to do with what I posted? I responded to a post that claimed that "the western man is on the road to extinction". The easiest way to prevent extinctions is to increase birthrates. It's not my fault that some people keep making excuses for why they won't have more kids, yet complain because other people are still having kids.

a reply to: Revolution9

"Just put a label on us already; "666 Fodder".

lol

Why is "diversity" and "multiculturalism" NEVER pushed in any non white country when whites are in terms of global population a minority?

a reply to: Revolution9

I came in here thinking this was yet another weak male complaning that socity was not being fair to him but then you said this..

It is not that they wish to raise up the other races because that would make their profits much less. Instead, the aim is to destroy the Western traditional male because he had too many rights, was too spoilt, always wanting acceptable wages and living standards and was pretty empowered in contrast to his racially diverse oppressed cousins.

I agree for the most part. The rich and powerful need those that are "beneath" them.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
Why is "diversity" and "multiculturalism" NEVER pushed in any non white country when whites are in terms of global population a minority?

Possibly because, as President Trump said, they are all ....holes that people want to leave rather than go to.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

A western man is a product of western culture.

a reply to: DrStevenBrule

BS. It's simply called a different name: "Westernization". Also, why else do you think "Latin America" is called "Latin" and "Latinos/Latinas" are called that?

European countries literally forced their cultures, languages, and religious interpretations onto the world from the 15th Century's Colonialism period through the early 20th Century's Imperialism period. You don't think that those people consider the influx of European cultural norms to be "multiculturalism" or "diversity"?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: enlightenedservant

A western man is a product of western culture.

Then why is the OP only considering "Western men" to be "white" men? And a lot of the other posts in this thread seem to agree with that misinterpretation, hence the whole reason I started posting in this thread.

ETA: Although I agree that any male raised in "Western" countries is a "Western male". But seeing as the US population is constantly increasing, clearly Les wasn't talking about "any man raised in the West" when he said that "western men are going extinct". So you should probably take that up with him, not me. I even said in my first post in this thread that I consider myself part of this same Western system (HERE). Now do the other people in this thread also consider me a Western male that's supposedly going extinct? Or are they only talking about males who fit the social label & former legal designation "white"?

borders and western/eastern man will be a thing of the past. if we don't all kill each other by then we will eventually be one big melting pot with one big melting pot world government. times change, civilizations change, super powers change hands and eventually we will be one big melting pot super power. a mixed colored global culture is inevitable, quit trying to hold on to your prehistoric clan like mentality.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
Why is "diversity" and "multiculturalism" NEVER pushed in any non white country when whites are in terms of global population a minority?

Possibly because, as President Trump said, they are all ....holes that people want to leave rather than go to.

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Not necessarily true, many would say that some Eastern European nations and large parts of Russia could be considered "holes" and they are majority white countries. Ever been to trailer park?

A #hole is any place lacking standard western amenities.

Its not racist. Or confusing.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Socialism !!!

Lmao

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Except for the part where he conviently listed all the African countries as “s holes” then used the whitest country on the planet as his example of acceptable immigration..

I was actually on trumps side on this one until I heard the about the “Norway” Disclaimer..

Without that , I think it is a pretty thin case to say trump was being a racist..

However, when you say a bunch of countries that have the worlds highest black populations are garbage, but the country that has the smallest black population is acceptable...

Is it like 110% definitive he meant it in a jacked up way??

Maybe not.. I guess..

But I think it is fair to say that he meant it in a racist way is the most logical/probable assessment.



That said everyone knows he is an idiot..

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Revolution9

The white males are the ones throughout history who have BEEN the oppressors, that's how come they aren't usually oppressed. That also happens to be the reason that they SEEM to be under attack, it is simply because many regular folks want all races and genders to have an equal chance.

Note that it is not white men who are under attack for the most part, but it is the aspect of white men suppressing others that is under attack. Some white men perceive this as a threat as they are used to getting gains by suppressing others, such as women today, homosexuals today, and other races both now and in the past (but much more in the past). If they are religious, they wish to suppress others who have different viewpoints than theirs instead of just focusing on their own views and how they apply to their own lives.

The goal is for the white man to be equal, and not a suppressor. That is basically it. For someone who is used to oppressing or suppressing others for personal gains, such as historically, white slave owners, or today, possibly a white man (and presumably other men as well) enjoying massive income inequality over women in the workforce, it does seem threatening to lose that ability to abuse power.

Yes and no. What you are describing are the legitimate and original goals of social justice, which I am all for. But, much of identity politics and social justice appears to have taken on the timbre of trying to pull down white males instead of bring others up. Some feminists and social justice folks have even said that some white male individuals will have to suffer, even if it means subtle personal discrimination.

I often find, as someone who has studied and worked extensively in social justice related topics and orgs for over 10 years, that it's those who HAVEN'T done so who have a perfect rosy view of all this. It's often well meaning liberals who really don't have any scholarship in related areas, nor related professional work. Long story short, some of the SJ ideology and actions of those involved have gone well beyond what you are describing.

You are reciting an almost standard response to any criticism, even though I respect that it's not vitriolic like some others. "Anybody criticizing this must be privileged, racist, ignorant, or threatened by losing their unearned power." The problem with that is that it dismisses any legitimate criticism and shuts down debate. It's intellectually lazy and in fact dogmatic. However, many people like yourself may not recognize that you are engaging in ideological fundamentalism.

I've personally, again, as someone actually involved in this arena, had numerous "SJWs" attack or project on to me with obvious hatred, bias, or stereotyping. This is even despite the fact that it is well known in my real life that I work on such issues and have even been called an SJW myself. This is to a degree that even other social justice folks or people of color have noted the attacks. My roommate, who is Peruvian, has seen it first hand hanging out with me and expressed concern too where this is all going.

It's not just that, let's take something like affirmative action. In the work place I am in, it is no longer about making it so qualified or capable people of color or women are given a real chance and seen for their abilities not their identity, now it is the opposite. Now, where i work, if you are a white male and maybe even a white woman it doesn't matter HOW qualified or how much experience you have, people of color with less experience and qualifications will be seen as better candidates due to diversity quotients on one hand and a toxic ideology that sees "lived experience" based on monolithic racial and gender categories to be better qualities in a candidate.

My point there is that this isn't just "leveling the playing field," it's functionally trying to simply flip the coin over so now minority or female identity is privileged over a white male. That isn't justice, nor "equality."

Also, you assert that it's always been white males as oppressors. While many of them have been, and many white civilizations (colonialism, western slavery, etc), there are also plenty of other cultures and races who have engaged in the same thing. This is another myopic fallacy of your typical social justice person in the US. They often (not always) seem to have little grasp on history beyond the last few hundred years in only Europe or North America.

There are a lot more topics within identity politics I could discuss, the good and the bad, so this isn't comprehensive by any means.

I'm open to a debate or discussion, if others are.