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So much for a more "competitive market" after the repeal of Net Neutrality

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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:29 PM
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Just found this article and it pretty much highlights the real reason why ISP's lobbied for the repeal of NN. T-Mobile is lobbying to make it harder for small ISP's to get a foothold in the market.



The Federal Communications Commission is currently considering a rule change that would alter how it doles out licenses for wireless spectrum. These changes would make it easier and more affordable for Big Telecom to scoop up licenses, while making it almost impossible for small, local wireless ISPs to compete.


Source

So not only is Big Telecom trying to charge us out the wazoo for services we've already had for years but they're also trying to make it almost impossible for smaller ISP's to compete against them.

Who would have thought, big business trying to take the small guy out of the market? Say it ain't so! Anyone paying attention would have seen these practices coming a mile away. So much for the free market.
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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'd like to see some actual evidence.

See, the thing is, those who built the pipes get to charge for those pipes. However, they also shouldn't own the water/gas that flows through them. This is the inherent issue, the elephant in the room.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Just found this article and it pretty much highlights the real reason why ISP's lobbied for the repeal of NN. T-Mobile is lobbying to make it harder for small ISP's to get a foothold in the market.



The Federal Communications Commission is currently considering a rule change that would alter how it doles out licenses for wireless spectrum. These changes would make it easier and more affordable for Big Telecom to scoop up licenses, while making it almost impossible for small, local wireless ISPs to compete.


Source

So not only is Big Telecom trying to charge us out the wazoo for services we've already had for years but they're also trying to make it almost impossible for smaller ISP's to compete against them.

Who would have thought, big business trying to take the small guy out of the market? Say it ain't so! Anyone paying attention would have seen these practices coming a mile away. So much for the free market.


this is the main problem with isp's and has been for a very long time. if we had a free and open market instead of the monopolies held by a few with almost no providers offering an apples to apples service, then the rollback of net neutrality wouldnt have mattered one bit. i personally wasnt for the net neutrality rules but i wasnt for it being rolled back until those monopolies were addressed.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'd like to see some actual evidence.

See, the thing is, those who built the pipes get to charge for those pipes. However, they also shouldn't own the water/gas that flows through them. This is the inherent issue, the elephant in the room.


The pipes, as you call them, were subsidized by the government. What part of this do people not understand? ISP's did not build and do not own the infrastructure they use.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: dug88

Entirely? What was the ratio?

Sources please.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

If there is a way to monopolize the system to increase profits, the large corps will strategize a way.

I have a distrust of Big Business, and when regs are relaxed it can mean the consumer takes it in the shorts.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

We paid for those "pipes" to be installed through our tax dollars, the ISP's used handouts from the government to build their infrastructure.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:58 PM
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Ok Democrat's.

Competition comes free market guys, not from government regulation.

Regulations are protections, remove the protections and the free market will thrive.

Ok guys, back to Dimension A where people actually understand how the economy works. Dimension B aka Democrat's will try to confuse you and get you on their very confused and wrong side.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

See above.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: dug88

Entirely? What was the ratio?

Sources please.


www.techdirt.com...

arstechnica.com...

m.huffpost.com...

www.dslreports.com...

www.infoworld.com...

That was just from the first page of search results.
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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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A lot of coulds, mights, and considerations in this article.

Title makes it sounds like a done deal.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:05 PM
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That was just from the first page of search results.


None of those answer my question. It however does show massive failures not only in big business but by government. So how is government (regulation) a valid solution? Moreover, it shows that they didn't spent money on infrastructure!



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: dug88

Entirely? What was the ratio?

Sources please.


www.techdirt.com...

arstechnica.com...

m.huffpost.com...

www.dslreports.com...

www.infoworld.com...

That was just from the first page of search results.



Big business likes socialism when infrastructure gets laid down. But then they move to capitalism to max profits.


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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: dug88




That was just from the first page of search results.


None of those answer my question. It however does show massive failures not only in big business but by government. So how is government (regulation) a valid solution? Moreover, it shows that they didn't spent money on infrastructure!




www.quora.com... -that-makes-the-internet-possible



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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

This isn't about partisan politics, it's about corporations trying to milk money from the consumer and strong-arming smaller companies out of the market. How is it a free market when corporations turn it into pay-to-play?

This affects everyone, not just one side or the other so take that crap somewhere else please.
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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Just found this article and it pretty much highlights the real reason why ISP's lobbied for the repeal of NN. T-Mobile is lobbying to make it harder for small ISP's to get a foothold in the market.



The Federal Communications Commission is currently considering a rule change that would alter how it doles out licenses for wireless spectrum. These changes would make it easier and more affordable for Big Telecom to scoop up licenses, while making it almost impossible for small, local wireless ISPs to compete.


Source

So not only is Big Telecom trying to charge us out the wazoo for services we've already had for years but they're also trying to make it almost impossible for smaller ISP's to compete against them.

Who would have thought, big business trying to take the small guy out of the market? Say it ain't so! Anyone paying attention would have seen these practices coming a mile away. So much for the free market.


this is the main problem with isp's and has been for a very long time. if we had a free and open market instead of the monopolies held by a few with almost no providers offering an apples to apples service, then the rollback of net neutrality wouldnt have mattered one bit. i personally wasnt for the net neutrality rules but i wasnt for it being rolled back until those monopolies were addressed.


The main problem with net-neutrality is the FCC. Its done a bang up job with cable and wireless already, so much so that many have "cut the cord".



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:13 PM
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Page not found.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

While corporations are certainly complicit, to place the blame solely upon them is not correct. As was previously posted, there is evidence that governments allowed taxpayer funds to subsidize. To what extend of the whole, that remains to be seen.

Now, how is the cause also the solution? In this case, government and regulation.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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Why regulations exist...


T-Mobile is lobbying to make it harder for small ISP's to get a foothold in the market.

What happens when they are repealed-- so bigger corps can create monopolies.

First thing , right out the gate.

The next thing will be all the cries from proponents of "Free Markets". Except their twisted idea is being 'free from regulation' so they can take over those markets. Regulation insures diversity and competition, a full spread of little, middle and upper class companies, all competing to keep prices down for the consumer.

The monopoly of markets insures one overlord corporation, providing crappy service, at whatever prices they feel like charging. Where you going to go if you don't like their service?

Enjoy your tiered, ad choked, boring, MSM internet.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

How is allowing corporations fee reign to price gouge the solution? Wasn't the argument against NN that it made the market less competitive? What does that say about one of he big telecom companies trying to make the market less competitive in the wake of the NN repeal?

How is making it harder for small ISP's to compete making the market more competitive? That sounds like the opposite.




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