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What is happening in places like Chicago and Dallas is that cities are increasing taxes to pay for their underfunded pension funds
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: toysforadults
I don't like pensions, but if someone is working their entire life under the assumption that they are accruing a pension then it is unfair to suddenly just change the rules and take it from them. California put themselves in this position and now they need to keep their word to their employees.
originally posted by: proximo
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: toysforadults
I don't like pensions, but if someone is working their entire life under the assumption that they are accruing a pension then it is unfair to suddenly just change the rules and take it from them. California put themselves in this position and now they need to keep their word to their employees.
You know this attitude really bothers me. Money does not grow on trees. Who do you think pays for the shortfall, other taxpayers who have nothing to do with the irresponsible promises made by these pensions.
Sorry - if the pensioners were promised something that could not be delivered on - that is not anyone else's problem. It is a shortfall in funding by the pension - and the beneficiary's should be the only ones affected.
If you don't have the money to pay your mortgage because of other debts do the taxpayers bail you out? NO. A pension is no different. Did Madoff's victims get bailed out by taxpayers? NO. People have to take responsibility for their finances.
It's not like this is a sudden problem - there has been funding shortfalls nearly every year because many of these pensions require 8% plus of secure returns minimum. That is unrealistic. I don't have a pension and I have known about this issue for 10 years. What has been done in that time, nothing that I can tell. Just because the average person does not understand this does not mean they are not responsible for it. Who let it continue? The truth is nobody ever gives people really bad news voluntarily - you have to look out for yourself or you get burned. That is the way it should be.
So I will give people a hint here. If you are 45 or younger - you have almost zero chance of collecting full social security. It is just another pension - and it too is having short falls.
I am assuming I will get none - you should too, or you will likely be sorry.