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Nigel Farage Backs Fresh Brexit Referendum

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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 06:42 AM
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Speaking today on morning panel show The wright stuff Nigel Farage has said his mind is changing on calls for a second referendum , he thinks perhaps we should have one to kill off the whinging of anti-Brexiteers and settle the argument once and for all.
He believes a second referendum will return a larger vote for the leave campaign , given the intransigent way the EU have been acting over the last 12 months I think he may be right


It doesn't happen often but I agree with Nigel.
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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 06:44 AM
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This guy ride on the back of the low IQ British community.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 06:48 AM
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I think he's right, and i dont agree with him a whole lot either. Everyone just looks crap which everway you look at Brexit but the EU take the biscuit and i narrowly voted to stay at the time.

I wouldnt give them the froth off my piss now though, its helped me see that The EU is a million miles from what i would have liked it to be.

I'd vote out now, no question.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: gortex

I think he's right, and i dont agree with him a whole lot either. Everyone just looks crap which everway you look at Brexit but the EU take the biscuit and i narrowly voted to stay at the time.

I wouldnt give them the froth off my piss now though, its helped me see that The EU is a million miles from what i would have liked it to be.

I'd vote out now, no question.



What exactly have the EU done that has annoyed you so much?

They've done precisely what they said they would do if we voted for Brexit. They've been very clear at every stage.

All they are doing is protecting the interests of the EU member states, which is what they are supposed to do, isn't it?

Why should the EU member states give stuff up so that we can have a better deal than them? Would they not be facing questions from their electorates if they didn't do their jobs and try and get the best deal for themselves?


The difference is large parts of the BRitish press have been trying to blame the EU for our own mistakes and shortcomings. David Davis couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag, but of course it's not his fault for being in his own words, somebody who knows absolutely nothing, it must therefore by the evil EUs fault.

We're being played by the British press, portraying the EU as all that is evil and wrong.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:18 AM
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so its fact that no one across the pond knew what the fock they were doing with this ref.
ideologically, it was a great idea; but apparently secession takes more than a vote and mentalists cheering in the streets topless.

hopefully they get it right this time. but the EU will without a doubt borderline rape Britain and its endeavors if this goes for more revisions. the vote was a resounding yay, the execution was very trump-like...
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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 07:30 AM
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so its fact that no one across the pond knew what the fock they were doing with this ref.

No , that isn't fact.
We knew what we were doing when we voted to leave , a second referendum could solidify the decision and strengthen the governments hand in negotiations should a second referendum return a higher percentage in favour of leaving.

I expect that would happen should the vote be rerun.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 08:08 AM
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We can always tell when they don't plan to follow thru with somethign because they run it again and again, to a seemingly forgetful audience.

Hey, didn't we vote on that already? How come-- wait a sec, was the vote even binding or just an opinion poll, the last time?

Look what happened in Spain, Italy, Greece.

Referendums be damned, full Austerity ahead.

Spinning wheels go round and round.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: gortex

And now... this:





a second referendum could solidify the decision and strengthen the governments hand in negotiations should a second referendum return a higher percentage in favour of leaving.


Highly speculative. Looks like a blairing talkingpoint filled with empty promises to me.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

I don't think it is speculative , if the question were to be asked again and the result was the same but with a higher vote for leave it would send a signal to the EU that there is no turning back , as a Brexiteer I'm comfortable with a second referendum because it will show Europe that we are a properly democratic country which is resolute in its desire to leave their corrupt club even after their best efforts to scare us out of it.

Blair is a yesterday man with his snout in the EU trough.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Pandaram
This guy ride on the back of the low IQ British community.


The irony of your disjointed sentiment is probably lost on you.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz

Why should the EU member states give stuff up so that we can have a better deal than them? Would they not be facing questions from their electorates if they didn't do their jobs and try and get the best deal for themselves?



We are going in to irony overload territory!! Hilarious that you would feel this way for the rest of the EU but not your own countrymen...



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 10:32 AM
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higher vote for leave it would send a signal to the EU that there is no turning back


We already got it, there is no need for sublime virtue signalling either.



it will show Europe that we are a properly democratic country


The opposite seems to be the case, and those 'slightly' condescending remarks towards the eloctorate speak volumes on their own. I'm not sure that we established a base to debate the merits of democracy, agreed to disagree.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
Speaking today on morning panel show The wright stuff Nigel Farage has said his mind is changing on calls for a second referendum , he thinks perhaps we should have one to kill off the whinging of anti-Brexiteers and settle the argument once and for all.
He believes a second referendum will return a larger vote for the leave campaign , given the intransigent way the EU have been acting over the last 12 months I think he may be right


It doesn't happen often but I agree with Nigel.


Gorty, Farage needs to save face over the last referendum. He thought he was going to lose at that time, and he told all and sundry, that 49/51 for remain wouldn't be good enough, and that he would be out on the streets to fight on for leave...aka another referendum. As it turned out, almost the same figures happened in the actual vote for leave, but he kept quite, in fact made a big deal with remainers telling them to get used.
That made him something of a laughing stock since then.

Note the date: 16/05/2016

www.mirror.co.uk...

As for Blair, noone wants to listen to him any more, he lost it big time when he followed G.W. Bush.

Farage, well Thanet kicked him out, he didn't get a job with Trump, so he'd be well happy just to be a well paid pest once or twice a year at the EU parliament.
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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 11:06 AM
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We already got it, there is no need for sublime virtue signalling either.

The idea of a second vote has nothing to do with "virtue signalling" but rather to unequivocally put the question to bed in this country.



I'm not sure that we established a base to debate the merits of democracy, agreed to disagree.

Democracy ? ,the people of the Republic of Ireland voted against the Lisbon treaty in the mid 2000's which was the wrong answer for the EU so they were forced to vote again , yeah democracy is fine as long as you give the right answer.

We are the only country in the democratic EU to be given a vote on continued membership , citizens of other countries would like the same chance but are denied through fear they will follow our lead.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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He thought he was going to lose at that time, and he told all and sundry, that 49/51 for remain wouldn't be good enough, and that he would be out on the streets to fight on for leave...aka another referendum

Which is why I'm in favour of a second referendum , with a decision as important as leaving the EU I think we should be looking for a more decisive result.
I still think it's the right decision but we need to carry a clear majority to make it work.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: gortex

I think he's right, and i dont agree with him a whole lot either. Everyone just looks crap which everway you look at Brexit but the EU take the biscuit and i narrowly voted to stay at the time.

I wouldnt give them the froth off my piss now though, its helped me see that The EU is a million miles from what i would have liked it to be.

I'd vote out now, no question.


I voted out narrowly.

And the EU behaviour has validated all my reasons for voting out.

Instead of the EU going away and reflecting on why the UK voted to leave and reforming, instead they doubled down on thete political madness!

Hell the EU commission president is still that insane drunk Jean-Claude Juncker.....
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posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 11:57 AM
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All this time passed since the vote and still no exit.

The real lesson from Star Wars I-III: trade deals lead to the loss of democracy.

No need for another vote. No need for negotiations. No need to give the EU a single shilling. Just leave. If the EU doesn't want to trade with Britain, find someone else who will.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 01:55 PM
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I can see the point Mr Farage is trying to make, in that a second referendum will likely extend the mandate to leave. This is because the EU has been exposed as the anti-democrats that they are. For example, the federalisation of the EU has been pretty much announced as a realisable goal now that the UK is off, and no one in the EU has been consulted.

I think the UKs decision to leave was almost too late. The deep intrusion into the UKs legal and sovereign processes had almost become terminal, with the depth only now becoming common knowledge as the size of the task at disentanglement becomes more public. It's pretty shocking that your average Brit was ignorant about the creeping takeover because the political elite have been pretty quiet over the last few decades.

The British foiled three attempts at the creation of a European state. Napoleon (France), the Kaiser (Germany) and Hitler (Germany). Now France and Germany will get their wish because all the nations that have been attached to their ambition don't have the wherewithal to cut free. What they tried by force will now succeed, albeit peacefully.



posted on Jan, 11 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: gortex

Which is why I'm in favour of a second referendum , with a decision as important as leaving the EU I think we should be looking for a more decisive result.
I still think it's the right decision but we need to carry a clear majority to make it work.


Well, I'm pretty sure that most people, in or out, realise the closeness of the vote is really not an all encompassing way of going about things, in much the way The Prime Minister is operating now with a bare majority, it doesn't work so good. Leaving the EU only makes things even more difficult in the areas of trade,and it seems a lot of people haven't thought about. Vehicles aren't going to go away no matter what drives them, and those vehicles parts are outsourced from everywhere, and with tariffs...and there will be tariffs aplenty will only make those vehicles more expensive, while a car presently is not exactly that cheap anyway, but the same will apply through all the industries, especially anything that comes of a conveyer belt, but not exclusively.
People who like to build their own homes, can probably forget about it, when much of the specialised materials are made in countries where there is the best expertise, Britain on it's own can't compensate for that in all things.
Everything is a big deal.
As for a new referendum? well, about 72% of those with votes did vote in the last referendum and the other 28% didn't vote at all. Overall then with 65million of a population the turnout of 33million was fairly representative of the half of the population.
So, the things to consider are, (1) the 28% of eligible voters who didn't vote at all, and (2) the very late pre-millennials (under 18's were not allowed to vote) who I'm pretty sure would have been remainers if that referendum had have been in 2017 when it should have been, the millennials represent a large number of people, roughly 700,000 births in the UK each year, and you would be talking a few million more or less. there were also other barred from the referendum. (3) The actual electoral vote of the UK of just 37% to leave, that has to be crazy in something so important as that referendum was. No corp would even make policy or research on that basis, there has to be a quorum of the numbers agreeing at a much higher level, same for a jury for that matter.
There is also the matter of compliance, and this is where it became political, no matter what the voters thought, parliament was told in 2015 that there was no obligation that parliament needed to heed the referendum at all, the whole of parliament was briefed on that, yet after the vote the prime minister words were, 'the country has decided' ...end of, when that clearly was not the case.
The young ones, would definitely make a difference in any referendum this time around, not just in numbers, but it making sure it would not be just another political 'banana republic' style coup like the 2016 one was.
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posted on Jan, 12 2018 @ 02:04 AM
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a reply to: Painterz

You cannot trust either the press or governments either, get real. The EU is a glorified power and wealth concentration scheme - grey, bland, homogenous, insincere and publicly hand wringing while allowing war and degradation where it suits them. We would be fools to add another layer of pointless BS govt to the crap we already have. How much extra useless crap to we really need, and have to pay for and waste time on?

I wanted to be part of a closer Europe but this aint it. We are not a one size fits all continent. The EU just needs to hurry up and die. It aint gonna change for the better and will ultimately eat itself from the inside.




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