Hannity Confirms Dossier was used to obtain the FISA warrant

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Grambler

No. I'm basing what I'm saying on research I've done since Manafort joined Trump's campaign.

Nice smear.

Cool.

Show some proof that trump colluded with russia and how corrupt he is from your research.

You should share it with all of the politicians even dems that have said they have seen no proof of that.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Jiggly
wow...

i will enjoy the aftermath of this

I think I will wait to see what comes of this, but I am interested to know the legalities behind this.

Considering that the dossier was the work of a former intelligence agent, could it be a valid source to use for a warrant if they have corroborating evidence from other sources, or is it considered "tainted" since he was contracted by a firm hired by a DNC lawyer to do opposition research?

I do not know those answers and we would need to know that before we go too far.

IF the dossier was used to obtain a FISA warrant and that dossier info was misrepresented to the court in order to get the FISA warrant and the other info submitted with the dossier could not stand on its own without the dossier then you have a fruit of the poisonous tree scenario. Essentially, worst case scenario, is any investigations, warrants, search warrants, indictments, prosecutions and guilty pleas could be tossed out, all investigations ended, all warrants / search warrants invalidated and any and all evidence seized becomes inadmissible in court.

A legal argument could be made that any type of investigations / prosecutions that come afterwards that are freshly started are tainted.

It would be a massive shockwave that would see people involved charged / fired / impeached / expelled from Congress / disbarment if they hold legal license, etc etc.

I also think it would be the end of the current Democratic party and I think that would be compounded in the 2018 midterms where anyone remotely associated with this would be voted out of office.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Grambler

No. I'm basing what I'm saying on research I've done since Manafort joined Trump's campaign.

Nice smear.

Cool.

Show some proof that trump colluded with russia and how corrupt he is from your research.

You should share it with all of the politicians even dems that have said they have seen no proof of that.

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a reply to: Grambler

"Regardless your story is irrelevant," you say.

Well then, Grambler, I guess I don't need to talk to you anymore, seeing as how you deem my linked sources earlier in this thread as well as my thoughts "irrelevant." It makes it that much harder to listen to anything you have to say when you are so entirely dismissive of me.

Whatever. Enjoy the coming revelations.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Again, if the dossier was used, it was seen as corroboration of intelligence given to our IC from multiple sources.

source?

www.realclearpolitics.com...
even though Steele himself admits that his “raw,” “unverified” reports might not be true.

so if steele himself says the dossier is not true how can the fbi use it as evidence to get a warrant to turn the ic against an american citizen?

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Grambler

PS: I think history will show Trump to be one of, if not The, most corrupt presidents we've ever had.

If we are still a free nation after all is said and done, I'm betting history will prove me right.

Strange days, these are...

Obama is going down as the most corrupt before your very eyes and you refuse to see it.
IRS
FBI
CIA
NSA
DOJ
Courts
Judges
Media
The powers granted to the State turned against its People. Nobody comes close to Obama's corruption in our lifetimes.

All of those powers Obama turned on his political rivals are now left in shambles after his tenure in office.

Now for all his manipulations of power, he got left with a dirty pee stained legacy in the end, how ironic.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Grambler

"Regardless your story is irrelevant," you say.

Well then, Grambler, I guess I don't need to talk to you anymore, seeing as how you deem my linked sources earlier in this thread as well as my thoughts "irrelevant." It makes it that much harder to listen to anything you have to say when you are so entirely dismissive of me.

Whatever. Enjoy the coming revelations.

I don't mean you any insult.

I mean the story is irrelevant because no matter what the scenario and how many countries said a political opponent was shady, using a dossier your party paid for to spy on your opponent is always corrupt.

Rtaher it be done by trump, obama, or anyone else.

If you have evidence that trump collided with Russians in your investigations, please provide it, I will read it.

But I am skeptical seeing as how even dems have admitted they have seen no proof of this.

a reply to: AboveBoard

I hope Bob Mueller is beyond the Dossier guessing and speculation stage by now. All these months, man-hours, and money, should have removed the cloud of uncertainty from his mind at least.

a reply to: Grambler

I disagree with the characterization of the dossier as being mere "oppo research" - I think that is where we seriously diverge. In the process of doing said research, Christopher Steele, a man whom MI-6 embedded in Russia as a "diplomat" back in the early 90's (might have been earlier-I know he was there during the attempted coup in 1993 by the socialist party). He was and is an expert on Russia and Russian counter-intelligence campaigns.

In the course of researching business dealings, or the notable lack thereof despite multiple trips to Russia, Steele found out about a crime that was being perpetrated by Russia towards the US. Did you know that at first Steele thought Trump might be a victim of Russian blackmail, due to financial issues? Did you know that Steele and Simpson felt so strongly about the information and it's national security implications for our country that he continued the work ON THEIR OWN without pay, after the election, in order to help us?
Link: the making of the dossier

It went way beyond mere "oppo" and the full context of what Steele and Simpson did is a fascinating story. The newly released transcript of Simpson's testimony sheds light on this too.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: AboveBoard

I hope Bob Mueller is beyond the Dossier guessing and speculation stage by now. All these months, man-hours, and money, should have removed the cloud of uncertainty from his mind at least.

I'm sure of it. As are Manafort and others.

a reply to: TinfoilTP


I realize you truly believe that.
I wish you well. But I honestly think you are living in an alternate reality, and that it is you who are making things up, and blind to the obvious.

But we shall see, I hope, in the end, which one of our mutual boogie-men is the real criminal.

originally posted by: AboveBoard

If Trump and his campaign have done what I think they have done, as well as the Trump Organization, the dossier will only be a small part of the story.

There is no human being on this planet since man first breathed that has been investigated more than Donald Trump.
Feds, spies, journalists, rewards offered, everyone and their mother has tried to get dirt on Trump.

Guess what....what you think they've done probably isn't true.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: AboveBoard

Again, if the dossier was used, it was seen as corroboration of intelligence given to our IC from multiple sources.

source?

www.realclearpolitics.com...
even though Steele himself admits that his “raw,” “unverified” reports might not be true.

so if steele himself says the dossier is not true how can the fbi use it as evidence to get a warrant to turn the ic against an american citizen?

Well, for starters, he isn't really saying that. Saying raw intelligence needs to be verified as details or portions of it might not be reliable is different than saying "the dossier is not true."

Secondly, the reason the FBI were interested in the dossier to begin with (and it was a series of raw intelligence reports which by their nature can have flaws while still containing truth - it is something that needs to be investigated and followed up on) - was that they already had intelligence pointing in the direction the dossier was indicating. It is called corroboration when two separate and legitimate sources give the same intelligence, no?

So if more than one source says something, that strengthens the need to investigate the claim.

Let's say a hacker robs a bank. Investigator X, while looking into something else, finds evidence of the hacker's identity unexpectedly. He then goes to the FBI and says "I came across this and thought you needed to know." The FBI then tells Investigator X that a co-worker of the hacker also reported their suspicions to the FBI that this person did the crime.

Would the FBI be justified in opening up an investigation into this person to see if they robbed the bank?

Now a FISA warrant is an investigative tool - it allows the IC to find out more information to see if the intelligence they've received is true.

How is it wrong to do this??

a reply to: onthedownlow

What will the other side say when this is done to them?

I think Trump will go that far to prove the case
against Hillary, Comey, Strozk, Lynch etc.

And he would be right to do it.
They are throwing up all the red flags
of guilt. In he mean time, Rand Paul
will be a loud voice against the lawless
surveillance.

a reply to: Grambler

Her report is a lie.
Hannity lies.
Now they have to fight how the dossier was used since they can no longer claim it's been disproven.

a reply to: AboveBoard

you may want to look into what steele told the court
he has admitted the dossier is not true

thanks for the sources, or rather lack of them
your opinion will leave you unsatisfied

using the intelligence community to go after a political opponent goes against everything my country stands for
obama is black nixon

Dossier paid for by multiple sources, well we may find the FBI
was colluding with Fusion GPS whom was colluding with Russia.

The FusionGPS bank records... Will be tell all

a reply to: Sillyolme

are you daft?
steele himself in court documents has admitted the dossier is not true

and please source your lie claim or retract it

originally posted by: burntheships
Dossier paid for by multiple sources, well we may find the FBI
was colluding with Fusion GPS whom was colluding with Russia.

The FusionGPS bank records... Will be tell all

Maybe Feinstein will break the law again by releasing those.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler


Now they have to fight how the dossier was used since they can no longer claim it's been disproven.

It's human nature to gravitate to the more serious crime..especially if that crime was committed by Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton.