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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: MikeA
no, you seem to be saying that if a guy grabs her butt and then punches her after she slaps him, he isn't a man....
but, if you also men that he's not a man for grabbing her butt to begin with, okay.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krakatoa
seems to me that they would have been the first to violence if they tried to kiss me or pinned me against the wall???
no touching, unless I agree??? have no problems with words, will gladly tell you I am not interested, but no, you don't steal kisses, I am not that little girl sitting in the bar as my mom tended bar anymore force to put up with the drunks stealing kisses...
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: MikeA
you've been married over 20 years, and I am widowed after over 30 years of marriage...
safe to say neither of us have played the dating game in a long time. but reading the posts on ATS sometimes, it really does sound like people just don't want to bother getting to know each other before they hit the bed together or something....
maybe I am just out of touch or something, but when I read threads like this one, I tend to see them in the worst like.... and that men are actually griping because women are striking back because they don't appreciate strangers, coworkers, bosses or whoever taking liberties with them that should only be reserved for husbands, if them...
the best advice I can give would be get to really know someone first before you start grabbing their gutt, or forcing kisses on them ect. if you can't see yourself spending the rest of your life tied to the person, there isn't any reason to take it any further than just conversation.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: dawnstar
let me ask you a question....
if your wife came home from work and told you about the new guy who had pinned her in the storage room and tried to kiss her, grabbed her butt, whatever....
how would you feel???
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: dawnstar
let me ask you a question....
if your wife came home from work and told you about the new guy who had pinned her in the storage room and tried to kiss her, grabbed her butt, whatever....
how would you feel???
originally posted by: MikeA
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krakatoa
I've already said, I don't think there are many men who would do such things, but I know there are some....
I've also gave a pretty good clue as to why I will not put up with them.
I rather thought your clue was pretty clear myself.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Courtship has worked well enough throughout history. She’s exactly right to say an awkward pickup attempt should not be conflated with sexual assault.
originally posted by: MikeA
I was just talking to my daughter. She told me about this 24 year old girl she works with came in one day and told her about this GREAT party she went to the night before. She got so drunk she passed out. She woke up the next morning, naked on a bed and her thighs hurt. Now I'm an old guy and may be out of touch with today's youth but 30 years ago we called that gang rape, not a great party.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: MikeA
I was just talking to my daughter. She told me about this 24 year old girl she works with came in one day and told her about this GREAT party she went to the night before. She got so drunk she passed out. She woke up the next morning, naked on a bed and her thighs hurt. Now I'm an old guy and may be out of touch with today's youth but 30 years ago we called that gang rape, not a great party.
That is certainly unacceptable behavior from the boys who did that.
Where though does personal responsibility play a role, go to a party of strangers and get so drunk you pass out is just being dumb and leaving yourself open to abuse, that goes for both men and women.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: MikeA
I was just talking to my daughter. She told me about this 24 year old girl she works with came in one day and told her about this GREAT party she went to the night before. She got so drunk she passed out. She woke up the next morning, naked on a bed and her thighs hurt. Now I'm an old guy and may be out of touch with today's youth but 30 years ago we called that gang rape, not a great party.
That is certainly unacceptable behavior from the boys who did that.
Where though does personal responsibility play a role, go to a party of strangers and get so drunk you pass out is just being dumb and leaving yourself open to abuse, that goes for both men and women.