Catherine Deneuve Says Men Should Be "Free To Hit On" Women

a reply to: Irishhaf

She called out one guy and from what you said, the top brass took over from there, to her astonishment. Then you guys turned your back on her. That's what happened right?

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
I wouldn't question it because I know better than to ask a woman to answer that particular question.
a reply to: InTheLight

The underlying point here is a blatant lack of respect for a woman's 'no' choice.

Men that have a true understanding of women don't find themselves having to interpret what women mean. We are experienced and intelligent enough to know wether or not a woman is attracted to us and don't make unwanted or unwelcome advances.

Women are not to be understood as a group/category, we are all individuals with individualistic behaviours. So the only true understanding of an individual would require another to take the time to get to know that person.

I don't dispute that, but I would add that indications of attraction are universal for both sexes, and learning to recognise them for what they are is an acquired skill that will prevent a man, or woman from behaving in a way that causes offence or discomfort.

Instead of trying to recognize or guess what someone is thinking, why not ask them?

Because asking a woman a question such as that is a surefire way to kill off attraction.

a reply to: CulturalResilience

just what the heck kind of question are you wanting to ask her???

hey babe, my wife and I are infertile, I was just wondering, would you be interested in having sex with me and being a surrogate for us??
just another fine example of just what kind of accusations that I've read about recently.... which are now being caste as so trivial men can't even ask for a date without risking being accused of sexual harassment.

From your answer it would seem that you have not followed the conversation that has taken place between myself and the poster I replied to.
a reply to: dawnstar

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I think this is going to hurt women.

Many men will not want to work with women in fear of being accused of something.

yeah yeah. I know how that sounds. If they aren't doing anything wrong they have nothing to fear.

However I'm starting to hear professionals doing this. Not wanting to work with women in fear of if they have to work late or be alone they'll get accused of something.

Unintended consequences.

Exactly.

At some point it's time to stop this nonsense - Everything is rape - I guess there has been a meeting in IBU (International Bitch Union), where they all agreed the whole "rich through divorce" scheme has run it's course.

Now it's time to flog the horse a different way.

I'm expecting MGTOW to get a whole slew of new members in the coming years.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: AMPTAH
We never heard of sexual harassment, under the old system.

And that was certainly because it didn’t exist; and not because it did, it just wasn’t looked at as being inappropriate.

Were you there at the time?

Sorry, wasn’t aware I needed to “be there” to know my history.

Well, I was "there" and it was inappropriate in my view and other girls I talked it over with. It appears our definition of what is inappropriate differs; grabbing/touching that is unwanted and unsolicited is inappropriate.

Ok, so you simply misread my reply to another member, you weren’t saying I was wrong.

This is what you posted... "And that was certainly because it didn’t exist; and not because it did, it just wasn’t looked at as being inappropriate."

I replied that I was there and unwanted grabbing/touching existed and was looked at as being inappropriate, by myself and others.

Did the rest of society care? Or was it just how things were? Were people appropriately punished for it?

a reply to: dawnstar

that sounds good; I am glad you are raising respectable children. I was only riffing on what Catherine said, not about any other actions which others may have done like piggish Weinstein.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: InTheLight

do you really believe we should vote for Oprah?

Simple yes or no question.

She must first put forth her proposals for our betterment, then I can give you an answer. But, Ophrah may not be in the mood to be President.

I effing hope not...

And I agree with most of what you are saying but it seems like we are on separate pages. I was just talking about what Catherine said, I am not talking or defending any kind of Weinstein rapist crap.

originally posted by: Uberdoubter

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I think this is going to hurt women.

Many men will not want to work with women in fear of being accused of something.

yeah yeah. I know how that sounds. If they aren't doing anything wrong they have nothing to fear.

However I'm starting to hear professionals doing this. Not wanting to work with women in fear of if they have to work late or be alone they'll get accused of something.

Unintended consequences.

Exactly.

At some point it's time to stop this nonsense - Everything is rape - I guess there has been a meeting in IBU (International Bitch Union), where they all agreed the whole "rich through divorce" scheme has run it's course.

Now it's time to flog the horse a different way.

I'm expecting MGTOW to get a whole slew of new members in the coming years.

I will continue this discussion to say I know that plenty of good officers in the Army, Generals and lower have been accused of this SNIP and lost their pension, and their wives all because some female secretary falsely accused them of stuff and knew she could get away with it.

So it is a double edged sword, if women want to keep respect they have to not be money grubbers, just like if men want to keep respect, they have to stop trying to grab everything around that is soft and warm.

Anyway, that's humans. . . I hold an equally high and equally low view of us. We have so much potential but few use it.

For me the biggest irony is that the majority of women who are into feminism or "equality" and so intensely up in arms about men and women having sexual relations, are those that would NEVER need to worry about a man approaching them, ever.

A lot of them are lesbians, of COURSE they are gonna hate their competition.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Well, yes. Men should be "free to hit on women" even if it is "clumsy" as she says, but not "persistent" as she also says. I disagree with that last one. I also disagree with the assertion in that silly letter that men should be free to "bother women".

If you want to hit on women, fine. Just treat them like human beings for chrissake. If she indicates she would like you to stop or go away, then stop and go away.

She comes from a different era where men were allowed and even encouraged to behave that way, so it is normalized for her. I come from a rural area where it was normalized for me too. She can shove her tolerance for it up her a$$ though. I'm not putting up with that crap anymore.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I think this is going to hurt women.

Many men will not want to work with women in fear of being accused of something.

yeah yeah. I know how that sounds. If they aren't doing anything wrong they have nothing to fear.

However I'm starting to hear professionals doing this. Not wanting to work with women in fear of if they have to work late or be alone they'll get accused of something.


It sounds like we're on the same page with this one but...


Unintended consequences.

yeah yeah. I know how that sounds. If they aren't doing anything wrong they have nothing to fear.

* What I say will not be popular to any female, and many White Knights, but it’s all true, and most men know it, and most women are a part of it. It’s a bitter pill to hear what most wont say, and it’s likewise a burden to say something that everyone knows is happening, but is afraid to say anything for fear of social retribution. I’m gonna say it anyway, because what these types of females “do” are far worse to the male psyche and many men commit suicide because of the way women mock, tease and sexually frustrate them.

Let's face it, at the end of the day, it's women who initiate sex. Men can hit on them all they want, but if the woman doesn't like him...nothing is going to happen.

The sad part however is that, there are many men rotting in prison right now, and some who have been released after decades in the slammer, that were falsely accused of rape, and the courts simply took the word of the woman, many times without evidence. It's women who are the problem...not men. Women have the backing of the world in everything they do. They get heavy funding for breast cancer, from small businesses all the way up to the WWE, while men get some ridiculous thing called "Movember" that gets virtually no donations, and have women laughing at them for looking like a 70's porn star for a full month.

They win almost every divorce and are considered the best parent for the children in the divorce, despite the fact that more mothers kill their own children than men do because of postpartum depression, the fact that they don't want to become "undesirable" and give up their youth so quick, or they abort them while still in utero. Men have none of these choices. Men cannot abort a child that they're not ready to take care of. Men are forced by law to take care of it ready or not, and it comes with stiff penalties if you ever get in a financial rut. Women don't have to report to the courts and legally have no responsibility for the well being of the child.

Hell, if they want more money, they simply have to prove that their child requires a higher standard of living...and guess who has to pay more? Women get to take birth control pills paid for by men's tax dollars...yet say men have no 'say so' in the abortion of their own children, and that men can't tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies...despite the fact it's not THEIR body being chopped into pieces.

Women can divorce a man these days and actually make more money than to stay with him, (the aforementioned child support as well as alimony), so it's more profitable for them to set a man up, seduce him, and then rob him of everything. I know, it happened to me, and every girlfriend I have ever had was about nothing more than money...run out, and she replaces you.

They shout out mantra's like "girl power" and "hear me roar"...until things get tough, and then they somehow become victims again, and the world demonizes the male for treating her bad...even if she was the one that cheated. Her girlfriends will say things like "had he treated her better, she wouldn't have had to find another man", yet if a man does the exact same thing, you can't count the insults and the vindictive attempts to take him out. So, it's not men that are the real problem here, it's the world view of women's behavior and the excuses made for them when they do horrible things, because apparently they can be strong powerful women and at the same time...the weaker sex. Female hypocrisy is the reason there are hardly any close families any longer, and feminism is the cancer that started it all.

I can hear the stampede of feminists hooves as we speak, and I'll go ahead and say it. I am mad, I do despise women of today, and I think they are not wanting equality at all....I think they want to take over and make men submissive. I won't be a part of this, and I am teaching my daughters to stand up against these types of women and to assist men instead.

My gift to feminism when I die.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: InTheLight

"By the way, did anyone check to see if she has her wits about her?"

ah...the old psych evaluation at a distance fallback.Shows how your'e easily led by the flavour of the day meme. You go down that path then you may one day be judged and found guilty by your TV viewing habits.
Pre-Crime.

It's called the 'nuts & sluts' attack and people use it all the time to try to shut women up. They are trying to capitalize on the misogynistic idea that women are either too 'unstable' or too 'slutty' to have worthy opinions.

It's especially pathetic when people who claim to be for women use it against women they disagree with.

She is from another generation and country from me, where social norms were different. Back then women had no recourse for justice. If she wants guys to hit on her that's none of my affair, she can solicit that behaviour if that is how she gets her kicks, but I am free to disagree with her choice of 'courtship' rituals if I choose and vice versa.

I never criticized you for disagreeing. You are absolutely free to disagree.

But you questioned whether she has "her wits about her." That is a pathetic line of attack used by misogynists and ageists.

If you were truly anti-discrimination, you would avoid those kinds of gross stereotypes and just present a well-reasoned argument.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Believe it or not...there are egalitarian feminists that are not afraid to call out the neo-feminists that demand special treatment.

I consider myself an egalitarian feminist and try to stay true to it.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

you ever think that a women might have good reason not to jump at your come on???
ya know, she's going through an emotional time
maybe she lost someone close to her
maybe she is already involved with another person.
maybe she just wants to concentrate on her studies....
if rejection sends you guys running away in fear.... then I think the problem is with yous, not the women...

All good points, I will just say men can't read into the why, they just know what is.

When does sincere persistence turn into harassment ?

And even if there is consensus on the answer everybody emotional perspective is different.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Believe it or not...there are egalitarian feminists that are not afraid to call out the neo-feminists that demand special treatment.

I consider myself an egalitarian feminist and try to stay true to it.

Here’s a question. Why would (whatever version) of feminists still call themselves feminists, if in direct opposition to the feminists who are making women look like gold digging jerks? Why not call yourself something else and totally separate yourself from that whole mess? It’s because women stick together at the end of the day (ie. girl coding) so, while one form of feminism is trying to destroy men, others other can say “hey, I’m a feminist too and we do only good works”. Kind of like you just did. To me, a feminist is a feminist and there is no separation between the two. A white witch and a black witch...both are still witches. I don’t give one damn what a person “identifies” as. Women are women. The whole industry of Country Music is predicated from experience in this. I hate Country Music, but they sure as hell know who seduced them and took all their crap, don’t they?

Besides, until you just mentioned it, I’d never even heard of a egalitarian feminist. That means that in the scope of it all, you’re insignificant as a group, and I don’t see you doing anything to stop the ones who are fking up the rest of the world for men.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
Here’s a question. Why would (whatever version) of feminists still call themselves feminists, if in direct opposition to the feminists who are making women look like gold digging jerks? Why not call yourself something else and totally separate yourself from that whole mess? It’s because women stick together at the end of the day (ie. girl coding) so, while one form of feminism is trying to destroy men, others other can say “hey, I’m a feminist too and we do only good works”. Kind of like you just did. To me, a feminist is a feminist and there is no separation between the two. A white witch and a black witch...both are still witches. I don’t give one damn what a person “identifies” as. Women are women. The whole industry of Country Music is predicated from experience in this. I hate Country Music, but they sure as hell know who seduced them and took all their crap, don’t they?

Besides, until you just mentioned it, I’d never even heard of a egalitarian feminist. That means that in the scope of it all, you’re insignificant as a group, and I don’t see you doing anything to stop the ones who are fking up the rest of the world for men.

I think the term 'feminism' was hijacked from egalitarian feminists by the Democratic party and Democratic women voters hate the Republican party so much that they don't criticize the politically exploitative Democratic Party version of 'feminism' because 'as long as it bothers Republicans then it must be a good thing."

But I don't actually feel good about calling myself a feminist because I don't want to be characterized by that.

I can't help that too many women hate the republican party so much that they don't care about the quality of the feminism they practice.

I can't help that there aren't legions of women that feel like me -- women who want to view feminism outside the political divide -- and I can't help that I cannot make the difference you would be impressed with.

I just wanted you to know that there are egalitarian feminists although the term 'feminist' has been hijacked by the Democratic party and been made to serve its purposes -- not the purpose of equal rights.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I think this is going to hurt women.

Many men will not want to work with women in fear of being accused of something.

yeah yeah. I know how that sounds. If they aren't doing anything wrong they have nothing to fear.

However I'm starting to hear professionals doing this. Not wanting to work with women in fear of if they have to work late or be alone they'll get accused of something.

Unintended consequences.

Hover hands will be a new symbol of the progressive male.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I can't help that too many women hate the republican party so much that they don't care about the quality of the feminism they practice. I can't help that there aren't legions of women that feel like me -- women who want to view feminism outside the political divide -- and I can't help that I cannot make the difference you would be impressed with.

It makes no difference what I would be impressed with. It's ALL men that are affected by their hate. You may not be able to "help" the way another group (with the same name as yours) acts or what they say, but my point is you're not speaking out loud against them in public. The Democratic feminists are loud and proud, and these egalitarian feminists are sitting there with their arms folded just reaping the benefits for women (at the expense of men). It looks a lot like silently agreeing with them. You got "hijacked", but you do nothing to reclaim what was your idea, of equality with no exceptions?

It's the same argument with Muslims, when the terrorists attack, the so called "Moderate Muslims" don't come out and condemn the act, despite saying that they shouldn't be treated bad because they're not the terrorists...but they will sit back, fold their arms and reap the rewards of Sharia Law and Allah's will of conquering all nations. It's the same thing, they're guilty by silent agreement. All that silently agree with these types of groups are just as guilty, for the damage, suffering and death that they do to innocent people.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I just told you that I am affected by their 'approach' and their motivations.

It's been eating me alive for the last 10 years. It's not just men who are affected or are paying a price for the partisan version of feminism...it's every woman who disagrees, too.

And I do speak out. I spoke out in this thread and am continuing to speak in it:

Link

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ETA: And I am definitely picking up the idea that you don't support me. So why should I speak for you? I mean, I will continue to speak against the exploitation of women and men...but why don't you support me in contributing what I think I have to offer that is helpful?