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FLASHBACK: The most honorable political move in modern political history.

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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
Despite our differences, we still used to respect one another when it came to politics. We may have disagreed on policy and such, but we were all still brothers.

That changed when Obama was elected.

The conspiracy-oriented mindset became mainstream Right Wing and all bets were off when it came to finding ways to delegitimize the political opposition.



For me, it was all ACA. That is the "big deal".

Had Obama not forced me to buy a product that rose in price at almost 30 times the rate of inflation (a product I was already buying at a price I felt was too expensive then), I likely would not have felt so raw about the other crap he pulled. But that one thing....hurt me and my family personally. Regardless of what he may claim to have intended.

It was nothing we were promised. And everything we were afraid of. And he made it to where it was so intertwined into the entire system that now, the only way out, is with enormous pain for everyone.




posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:26 PM
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Big deal, McCain was too scared to be labeled a racist to say anything bad about Obama. Trump would have given Obama a nick name and hammered Obama with it, like absent Obama because he was rarely ever showed up in his Senate Seat to work.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I didn’t say he wasn’t a normal dirtbag politician.. but for those couple minutes he was WAY more than that.

I watched the local sheriff and now mayor of Memphis do the same, Republican Mark Lutrell

He was the guest where I was Working on a local radio show , while being interviewed, one of the Callers tried to go all “Muslim socialist , exc” and he just stopped him. Then he sounded just tired and said “listen if you wanna talk about real problems with real fixes. I’m with you. But I’m not going down that road with you..”



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Exactly ...

McCain was willing to be the only adult in the room and trump would have just been one more spoiled child.

Trump basically popularized the niether movement.. something even he admits was garbage..



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

Thank you.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

It a great speech, but isn’t he wrong lol???


The argument is about the war in Vietnam, right??

All Glenn is absolutely correct about the soldiers honor, necessity and sacrifice, but what does that have to do with politics??

The soldiers weren’t the ones deciding to go to war and we all kninda agree now the war was a sham..

So is Glenn arguing for the war we all now consider a sham???

And the other guy was actually on the right side of history Then??

Now from what I understand the 1970s is kinda where American society decided to stop blaming the soldiers and blame the politicians, right??

So I guess in a way they could be debating that...



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Big deal, McCain was too scared to be labeled a racist to say anything bad about Obama. Trump would have given Obama a nick name and hammered Obama with it, like absent Obama because he was rarely ever showed up in his Senate Seat to work.


McCain seemed to be more concerned about racism and Obama than he was with the misogyny leveled at his own running mate.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The ACA was a big deal for me as well. While I did not vote for Obama, I had hopes that he would push for a single-payer system which would bring us closer to a universal system.

Come to find out, he sold out in the "compromise" and ran with the Heritage Foundation's creation of an individual mandate.

What a disaster that was.

No matter what, the entire game of politics changed when Obama was elected. It went from simple disagreements in political discussions to outright hatred and vitriol.

Add to that the death of the "traditional" conspiracies and we see those same very people run with the political conspiracies.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: introvert

The hatred and vitriol you saw with Obama was a reaction to the LIberal response to Bush. They were untenable during the Bush years.

Not that they should have been silent...they shouldn't. But its when I first saw the use of hyperbole and vitriol to the degree we are discussing. And, as expected, the political rivals took it a step further. And now, with Trump, its another step further.

Ever and ever more outrageous.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



The hatred and vitriol you saw with Obama was a reaction to the LIberal response to Bush. They were untenable during the Bush years.


So the response to Obama was not due to his political affiliation, policy ideas or anything else except how liberals treated Bush?

I'm not buying it. I have never heard someone say they hated Obama because liberals treated Bush poorly.

In fact, Bush was hated by many on the Right as well. Especially on this website.



And now, with Trump, its another step further.


Trump and his supporters deserve every bit of grief they receive.

It's not a matter of politics. It's a matter of basic human decency.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I agree..

Obama was kinda a weak “beep” imho alwasys afraid of tarnishing that First black president title..

He bent over backwards to be moderate, and was still raked over the coals as if he was trying to crown himself king.. and was just the hardest left person in the counrty..



Bush caught hell to, but only after the Iraq war fiasco..


Jesus Christ they lied to get us in a war. Then gave their private companies the multi billion dollar rebuild contract..

That just screams corruption..



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

A prison cell for what??



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

I would say it was likely during bush, but was well deserved..

The Iraq war was a fraud, disaster and everyone freely admits now, a mistake.

Bush blantantly lied to instigate that war, and upon waking up from the 911 coma, the left went at him full bore. .. without any out of bounds, really..

He cost both countries so much I would say it was earned Critism, but the other side carried that hate seamlessly over to obama.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

I bet you have never once mentioned misogyny by a republican..

In fact I bet you will argue that the “ feminist misogyny in America” assertion is fake..

Maybe I’m wrong..



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So let me get this straight...

Directly after Bush had just lied us into the Iraq war. That has personally cost every single American no telling how much in tax dollars.. plus all the American soldier and civilian lives..


But it is a policy that HYPOTHETICALLY might make you help pay for the insurance of poor people that was just the worst thing ever?!?!?


A tax that never even got implemented.. maybe it was active one year, but I don’t think so.. I think the penalty was constantly put off..


WHAT?!?!


How does that logic work?!?!

You have personally likely spent thousands of dollars in Iraq , but it is just POTENTIALLY that you might have had to pay a penalty for not having insurance that’s unthinkable..



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I bet you have never once mentioned misogyny by a republican..

In fact I bet you will argue that the “ feminist misogyny in America” assertion is fake..

Maybe I’m wrong..


Pfft.

I was a Democrat for 20 years and have never been a Republican. And let me tell you, it was not just Democrats who were misogynistic when it came to Sarah Palin. Republicans served it up, too.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
Trump and his supporters deserve every bit of grief they receive.

It's not a matter of politics. It's a matter of basic human decency.


It gladdens my heart to read that, it truly does. It proves that absolutely no lesson was learned in the aftermath of Hillary's "Basket of Deplorables" slur. If there's one thing in modern politics that galvanizes the opposition rather than swaying them, it's hyperbolic insults. So please, continue strong.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Entering Iraq wasn't an issue for most Bush supporters. We didn't care what rationale Bush ran out, we knew it was coming and most of us wanted the job his father had fumbled on properly completed. Hussein needed killed and his empire needed crushed, period. Our grief over Iraq was the "kinder, gentler" BS Bush entered into it with. Strategically, it was a colossal mistake in judgement, but it was nowhere near the ridiculously transparent quid-pro-quo that was the Affordable Care Act.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
Trump and his supporters deserve every bit of grief they receive.

It's not a matter of politics. It's a matter of basic human decency.


It gladdens my heart to read that, it truly does. It proves that absolutely no lesson was learned in the aftermath of Hillary's "Basket of Deplorables" slur. If there's one thing in modern politics that galvanizes the opposition rather than swaying them, it's hyperbolic insults. So please, continue strong.


Oh no. Someone called you a deplorable. How sad, yet, how true?

Meanwhile, I've been called everything from a commie-pinko, a fag-lover, a supporter of kiddie "pizza" all the way to being called a supporter of murder. Hell, I've even been called a murderer in the making. Just because I'm a socialist and I believe in individual rights of all people.

Sorry if I don't get all teary-eyed when someone gives the Trump supporters exactly what they deserve.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: smurfy


Come off it, a bit of fair play...you people are not politicians he is.
If you actually listen to the very end...ahem! you hear MCcain saying that as a politician he has fundamental differences with Obama period.


Politicians don't hate the other side so much as they pretend to.

It's normal people who feed the hate for partisan politics.

And as far as the "fundamental differences" they had, I'm sure they were few and far between. As a war hawk, I'm sure McCain loved Obama's foreign policy.

As to the accusation that Obama was some sort of Muslim implant, tell that to the seven countries he bombed.

To sum it all up, my statement had nothing to do with partisanship, merely I'm not going to act like McCain was the most honorable politician for saying what any sane person would say to that question.

Why feed a narrative that has no evidence?




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