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Politics Divide - The Roseanne Show

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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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I'm not a big TV buff and I have the same interest in this show that I had 20 years ago before the reboot.... zero. However, I was reading an article on the show just out of curiosities sake, that made a very valid point about people around each and every one of us and how we react to one another.

The Roseanne Show, as you may have noticed, has been rebooted. The show stuck the idea that the family portrayed are Trump Supporters. As you could have guessed, not many people were happy with this. However, Roseanne defended the idea:



She said her character, Roseanne, and her husband, Dan (John Goodman) will support Trump because she’s always wanted the sitcom to be “a true reflection on the society we live in.”

“So I feel like half the people voted for Trump and half didn’t, so it’s just realistic,” she said at a Television Critics Association panel on Monday.


I personally think that she's dead on. For the working class, it's not uncommon to be a Trump Supporter. It is, to me, very realistic. Besides, why should the people of the entertainment world or anywhere else for that matter, need to concern themselves with which side the people in the show stand on? Does it hurt anyone? No. Does it push their views on anyone? No. So why is it an issue?

This is just one more example of how people are so divided against their brother, sister, father, mother, friend, boss... all because of politics. Remember the old saying, the 3 big NO's that you shouldn't talk about are Sex, Politics and Religion. Apparently so many of us never heard that saying or the world simply stop caring at some point and went wide open political debate. This seems to be all anyone talks about anymore.


Still, she makes a very valid point as to why:


“I’ve always attempted to portray a realistic portrait of the American people and the working class people. And, in fact, it was working class people who elected Trump,” Barr continued. “So I felt like, yeah, that was very real, and something that needed to be discussed.”

Barr added that she wanted to focus on “polarization in the family” in particular, and “people actually hating other people for the way they voted,” which she said she feels “is not American.”

“So I wanted to bring it right down the middle, and we did,” she said.



Now some will jump on the bash wagon and claim she is a Trump supporter (like it matters anyway), but:



And though her TV alter ego supports Trump, Barr says the president “says a lot of crazy s—.”

“I’m not a Trump apologist. There are a lot of things he’s said and done that I don’t agree with,” she said.

“It’s always a lesser of two evils,” Barr continued, added that one reason she “could not vote for Hillary Clinton is because of Haiti.”



So maybe she is a Republican but she calls it like she see's it. I'm not a fan by any stretch but I do respect this woman for being brave enough to talk about it to a world of snearing people who's ready to come out of the wood work any moment to bash her for it. That is... If someone, even Roseanne, can get the words out...



“It’s always a lesser of two evils,” Barr continued, added that one reason she “could not vote for Hillary Clinton is because of Haiti.”

She was cut off before she could explain what she meant.


Of course she was... We can't have that kind of stupidity on TV for the masses!!!

I'm willing to bet that if what she said was critical of Trump (like the first part of that where she insinuated that Trump was coo coo), they would have made a 60 minutes show out of it. Anyone disagree?

Rosey.... You're out of time! Sorry... Gotta go. No time to finish!


Is it all roses and republicans? Not quite. Remember, Roseanne's daughter "Darlene" (Sara Gilbert) is gay in real life and her son Mar (Ames McNamara) in the show likes to wear dresses. Oh you know they got flak for that too! The son doesn't portray being gay or even a real cross dresser. He simply likes to wear dresses.

More Here on that subject.


All in all, cheers and applause for Roseanne for having the guts to portray a realistic, divided Amercia. She was always a strong willed woman who really didn't give a rats @$$ about what people thought.







posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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And then they have a 9-year-old wearing girls clothing on the show as one of the grandkids ...

Why do I not see this as a means of stocking in a lot of sucker punches at the expense of the stupid, Trump-supporting Conners?



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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I think Rosanne may very well bring a lighthearted touch to the deep polarization of the politically charged atmosphere in America with her sitcom.

I don’t know if it will last two seasons , but I’m sure it will be entertaining to watch for many , despite political leanings.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:15 AM
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I didn't watch the original series mostly because barr discussed me, but as I understand it the show was about a working class family trying to make ends meet.

Now do a reboot with political messages and watch it die an agonizing death.

No matter what side of politics they choose they will alienate the other side. That's bad for ratings.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22


No matter what side of politics they choose they will alienate the other side. That's bad for ratings.

That Conflict will boost ratings, (hopefully).

Kind of like the monkey boy in the jungle t shirt ad.

The racist controversy generated is better than any amount of paid spots for just 't shirts'.


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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Bluntone22


No matter what side of politics they choose they will alienate the other side. That's bad for ratings.

That Conflict will boost ratings, (hopefully).

Kind of like the monkey boy in the jungle t shirt ad.

The racist controversy generated is better than any amount of paid spots for just 't shirts'.



Archie bunker had conflict.
Both sides took shots.
I really doubt this show will be that way.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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Rosanne has always been a nut, but occasionally she has waves of lucidity and wisdom.

This first boot did nothing but stage Big bang theory actors and Tom Arnold's skyrocket to stardom.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
I didn't watch the original series mostly because barr discussed me, but as I understand it the show was about a working class family trying to make ends meet.

Now do a reboot with political messages and watch it die an agonizing death.

No matter what side of politics they choose they will alienate the other side. That's bad for ratings.


Yep, back when sitcoms dipped into the drama department(Whos the Boss's AIDs scare, Family Ties suicide and drug issues, etc) when the show got weird and signaled the show's demise.

People want to laugh, not debate.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I don't think it's that. I really believe that those people come from all spectrum of political beliefs. They've been a tv family for 20 some years and they're "over it". Like any real family, I'm sure they're just as close and have to deal with the same stuff in TV land as everyone else in real life. I'm sure lessons can be learned.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

That is what happen when people start believing in crazy conspiracies, rather than real life..

Half the country literally believes that the vast majority of the worlds media, unions , teachers , scientists, universities, college professors, exc are all in a vast conspiracy to make the gop look bad and discredit jesus!

And they do not believe that that disagreement in policy is antheir honest opinion, but a vast and intentional lie. Where everyone internally knows the gop is right and trickle down economics works.. but because of said conspiracy they purposefully are lying to .... idk for a minute it was to “bring Shiria law to America!!”lol


This week I guess it’s to femanize the men, turn all the kids gay, ban all the guns..

It changes quite often..



See for a comparison..

liberals think Trump is a narcissist and a baffoon who’s impulsiveness could be dangerous..


Conservatives pretended obama was a Muslim socialist Plante, who was purposefully trying to weaken the country and is the best candidate for an anti-Christ in decades.. ..


One believes the other is stupid, but just an amoral buisness man.

One believes the other is a supernatural spy dead set on world domination and destroying America..


A baffoon and immoral buisnessman can change.. he can grow and become something better..

A socialist , Muslim Plante who is actively and intentionally trying to destroy the county is not really redeemable.. he is not even really human..

Imho


The GOP PTB were scared to death by Obama’s blow out against McCain. He won by a mile and like a rockstar or celebrity. They thought “this might be the end of our political party if we don’t act” . So they allowed the racists and conspiracy theorists to run wild. They were willing to take on all callers that were willing to unite against obama and they would validate almost anyone willing to go against him.


They stopped pulling all punches and swinging wildly....

hell McCain was blasted by the right for what is still think is the most amazing political scene ever..


Where that lady said obama was a Muslim and Mcain stopped her and said “no he isn’t ma’am. He is a normal loyal American like everybody else..”

He is still blasted for it and it should be a badge of honor..



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Bluntone22


No matter what side of politics they choose they will alienate the other side. That's bad for ratings.

That Conflict will boost ratings, (hopefully).

Kind of like the monkey boy in the jungle t shirt ad.

The racist controversy generated is better than any amount of paid spots for just 't shirts'.


Archie bunker had conflict.
Both sides took shots.
I really doubt this show will be that way.


Archie Bunker? Youre comparing apples to oranges. Different era too.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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Me personally? I like Roseanne Barr. I wouldn't want to hang out with her, but I like the fact that she is unabashed in how she lives her life.

I find her choice interesting. It will certainly appeal to a base...but if the family turns out to be the butt of all the jokes, it will not appeal to the base that your snippet insinuates.

Still...i've seen every episode of the first series. In the first series Roseanne made many comments that were critical of republican policies. Dan, on the other hand, was habitually underemployed. It seems more like the show would be truer to its roots to have a house divided. And it might make for better TV (while helping the nation cope with how ridiculously divided we are).



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 12:56 PM
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All right, she may have noble intentions, but her show will fail if the tone is uneven. South Park is the one show I've seen to take this tactic and make it work, and it succeeds because they have the same tone toward everyone. No matter what, they will gore your sacred cow there and do it with the exact same irreverent tone, no one is safe, and no one is treated different.

If it becomes obvious that she's not treating her subjects the same in the writing, that her Trump supporters are the popular caricature of Trump supporters, for example, then the show will go down in flames just like it would if she made her leftist characters into two dimensional idiots and empty parody sketches.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
It seems more like the show would be truer to its roots to have a house divided. And it might make for better TV (while helping the nation cope with how ridiculously divided we are).


I am assuming that Sara Gilbert (Darlene) will probably not be a Trump supporter and that's where the political divide stuff will be tackled. I loved Roseanne and Darlene's dynamic in the original show.

I am probably one of the few people that is looking forward to seeing how the political issues play out. Roseanne is non-partisan and has a healthy record of criticizing both parties over the years to back that up. And even if my views don't always mesh with hers -- I did not vote for Trump -- I like the idea of seeing a non-partisan portrayed on television.

Roseanne is smart and very clever...but she wears her heart on her sleeve. If it was unscripted TV, I'd be concerned...thank goodness it's not though!



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck



This is a stupid idea, on her part. The Conner Family would not have voted trump....I cant believe Sara Gilbert went for this. I will just wait and see how it plays out....hopefully they wont make the show, political, anyway.






posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: kurthall

That's what Hillary thought in the Rust Belt, but a lot of "conners" voted for Trump. The Conners are squarely inside the demographic Hillary shamed as deplorable in many ways -- blue collar reliable Democrat votes for many years, but the jobs dried up, times got tough, and then Obama told them they were never coming back, then Hillary ignored them and called them deplorable.
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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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good luck to her. tim allen didnt have much luck and his show was split right down the middle representing both sides of the equation.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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Ah, but I am from that area, I lived in Rockford, IL, for 36 years, now I live in the LA area. Langford, Illinois (where Rosanne takes place) Is a just outside of Chicago, just like Rockford, where I am from. Illinois and Minnesota are the two midwest states, who voted for Hillary.


So, by Rosanne, who lives in Langford, Illinois on the show, voted for trump, she went against, what thy typical American family in that area, would have done during the 2016 election. So Say what you like. The average family in Illinois voted blue in 2016.






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posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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I think you should check your voting map by county again. It's not nearly so cut and dried as all that. Most of Illinois went red as did much of Minnesota. So it's equally likely she could have voted Trump.



posted on Jan, 9 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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What did I miss here? I Thought ol' Rosie Connor made up the entire first series in some sort of shark-jumping "it was all a dream/fantasy' weirdness and disappointing millions of fans in the process?

Maybe I should catch up, lol



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