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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: amazing
And ?
American politics is simple to begin with.
Left versus right.
originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: JoshuaCox
What is more likely that Big Oil and Coal and Combustion engine and power companies are putting forth propaganda so that they don't lose money or that most scientists in the world are lying to us. Seriously. What is more likely?
originally posted by: Harpua
originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: JoshuaCox
What is more likely that Big Oil and Coal and Combustion engine and power companies are putting forth propaganda so that they don't lose money or that most scientists in the world are lying to us. Seriously. What is more likely?
Its more likely that the oil and coal industries paid off a couple dozen scientists than the liberal elite paid off 90% or more of the worlds scientists.
But you won't get anywhere with this argument because the conservatives would rather assume its all a conspiracy to destroy america created by liberal elites.
if they run the government and media, couldn’t they just print more money basically for free???
originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: JoshuaCox
And from this ridiculous post we can see which side you are on. You completely categorized it in a left-leaning way as to how the right views the conspiracy of climate change or global warming or global cooling or whatever you want to call it for this endeavor. That's how you characterize it is not how the right sees it at all.
Jaden
originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: JoshuaCox
And from this ridiculous post we can see which side you are on. You completely categorized it in a left-leaning way as to how the right views the conspiracy of climate change or global warming or global cooling or whatever you want to call it for this endeavor. That's how you characterize it is not how the right sees it at all.
Jaden
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Hypothetically, there is a payout if a carbon tax is ever passed
It has dawned on me that the conspiracy dynamic between both political factions have very stark differences.. differences I think kinda apply across the conspiracy spectrum..
Really a totally different math is being used by both factions.
To highlight this I will use climate change, and let’s just for a minute pretend we are aliens who have no idea who is correct, and let’s ONLY analyze the over all concepts involved..
The lefts conspiracy:
“ A handful of big oil companies have hired a handful of scientists and politicians to “cloud the waters” about climate change. To stop any loss in sales or from increases to regulations...”
It is short, sweet and to the point..
PERPETRATORS:
You have the potential perpetrators being real people who we could hypothetically track down.
Logistics:
Logistically it is very do able..
We can see if this or that oil company is really paying off the handful of scientists and check donations to politicians..
MOTIVATION:
it’s obviously even short term profitable.. no need to conjure some abstract concept to assign a motivation..
PAYOUT:
It’s just good old fashion greed and the almoghty dollar.
The rights Climate change conspiracy:
“The scientific community is suffering from group think when it comes to anthropomorphic climit change. Whether it be to secure grant money, Peer preasure or Publication bias, the scientific community is putting to much stock in unproven climit models that are arbitrary in the data used and the time periods investigated"
Perpetrator:
Normal every day people succumbing to their human nature to seek out acceptance in the community; to publish positive results in peer review journals; to sustain their employment in a highly competitive and politicized industry.
Politicians who use the subject to sway one issue voters.
Logistics:
Go along to get along. Fug the data. Reduce the sample size. Reduce the time scope. Only publish positive results and by pass the negative results. Learn how to game the grant system (hey it'll keep all your friends in the lab employed)
Give a stump speech and smile at the camera.
MOTIVATION:
No motivation required; most of its human nature. If you need a motivation though a.c. accolades and greed work.
Further one's political career.
Pay out:
Grant money, accolades, publications.
The furtherance of one's political career.
originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
a reply to: mc_squared
Not so much money but energy and money they want a monopoly on both.